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Otis

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  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,636
Brighton Sky Blue said:
That he supports the right to strike. Which until Liz Truss came along was I thought a no brainer.
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I think we are going to get that a lot in the near future. The words Liz Truss and no-brainer in the same sentence.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,637
Otis said:
I think we are going to get that a lot in the near future. The words Liz Truss and no-brainer in the same sentence.
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And yet


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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,638
fernandopartridge said:
And yet


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Fucking hell.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,639
shmmeee said:

'Labour must go from protest into power - then hand power to working people'

Writing exclusively for the Sunday Mirror, Labour Leader Keir Starmer says he supports the right to strike - and that his support went beyond "sentiment and a photo opp - I backed up my words with action"
www.mirror.co.uk
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I went back to Oliver Eagleton's book, Starmer only got his Bachelor of Law in 1985, assuming it was summer 85, the strike ended months beforehand. He could certainly represent striking miners pro bono if he wasn't a qualified practising solicitor.

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,640

Boris Johnson is planning to fill the Lords with his cronies and legitimise bribery | Gordon Brown

The honours system is rife with abuse and a paper by Lynton Crosby’s firm suggesting ‘rewards’ for compliant peers proves it, says former prime minister Gordon Brown
www.theguardian.com
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,641
fernandopartridge said:
And yet


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Bit disappointing for the Don’t Know Party to fall into third.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,642

Bit weird America don't hold these values anywhere else ? Is it because China makes everything they own and sell and they could basically bankrupt the USA
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,643
Evo1883 said:

Bit weird America don't hold these values anywhere else ? Is it because China makes everything they own and sell and they could basically bankrupt the USA
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That's the position of most of the world.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,644
Basically China won't do business with anybody who recognises Taiwan politically, and considering almost every country would grind to a halt without China, its not hard to see why they hold the stance they do ..


It's quite easy infact
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,645
It's not a new thing, though.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 1, 2022
  • #19,646
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,647
the cut nhs and teachers pay policy isn't the vote winner truss thinks it is
 
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Otis

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,648
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,649
David O'Day said:
the cut nhs and teachers pay policy isn't the vote winner truss thinks it is
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I also see she wants to ban union reps from using facilities time. She really is promising a huge attack on working rights as well as wages
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,650
David O'Day said:
the cut nhs and teachers pay policy isn't the vote winner truss thinks it is
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I wondered whether she'd forgotten that even though Tory members are the voters she's concerned with, the rest of the country can hear anyway.

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PVA

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,651
fernandopartridge said:
And yet


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People think new = different. She (and the Tories) will get a short term bounce in the polls and she'll soon fall behind once she starts opening her mouth and people realise she's just as bad as Boris without the funny hair and shit banter.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,652
Always the Tory way
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I also see she wants to ban union reps from using facilities time. She really is promising a huge attack on working rights as well as wages
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once a Tory always a Tory

Really need an alternative vision from starmer or labour
 
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,653
Otis said:
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We are being made fools of .. absolute madness
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,654
PVA said:
People think new = different. She (and the Tories) will get a short term bounce in the polls and she'll soon fall behind once she starts opening her mouth and people realise she's just as bad as Boris without the funny hair and shit banter.
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it's also only one of many polls

they'll have a bounce then fade back again
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,655
Evo1883 said:
We are being made fools of .. absolute madness
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Its a fucking disgrace.

I'm primarily a cyclist, but I'm considering starting a bilking protest group
 

Sick Boy

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,656

Liz Truss dismissal of ‘attention seeker’ Sturgeon will horrify Scots, says SNP

Tory activists cheered leadership favourite when she said first minister should be ignored
www.theguardian.com
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,657
This could go in either this thread or the war thread... but fucking hell Jeremy.


 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,658
PVA said:
This could go in either this thread or the war thread... but fucking hell Jeremy.


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The blokes a dangerous idiot and that type of interview is exactly why a lot of the country could never have voted for him whatever the alternative was.

He talks as if Russia is also an injured party and various people haven’t tried to negotiate with Putin ?! Also no mention of the war crimes and the rape and killing of civilians.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,659
Sick Boy said:

Liz Truss dismissal of ‘attention seeker’ Sturgeon will horrify Scots, says SNP

Tory activists cheered leadership favourite when she said first minister should be ignored
www.theguardian.com
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She can’t help herself. I’d be worried there would be worse to come if/when she wins
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,660
Evo1883 said:

Bit weird America don't hold these values anywhere else ? Is it because China makes everything they own and sell and they could basically bankrupt the USA
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Trying to put out the fire caused by Pelosi going to Taiwan
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,661
PVA said:
This could go in either this thread or the war thread... but fucking hell Jeremy.


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So which bit do you find the worst then?
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,662
Ian1779 said:
So which bit do you find the worst then?
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Really? You can't honestly think that's perfectly fine yet think Starmer is unelectable because he said some things about strikes.
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,663
PVA said:
Really? You can't honestly think that's perfectly fine yet think Starmer is unelectable because he said some things about strikes.
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Stop deflecting and answer the question. There must be something in the 2 minute clip you found offensive, or are you just piling on the centrist dad outrage because it’s happening on Twitter.
I have my own opinions on what he has said in the clip which I’ll share but let’s hear what you actually think.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,664
CCFCSteve said:
The blokes a dangerous idiot and that type of interview is exactly why a lot of the country could never have voted for him whatever the alternative was.

He talks as if Russia is also an injured party and various people haven’t tried to negotiate with Putin ?! Also no mention of the war crimes and the rape and killing of civilians.
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Dangerous idiot for making the point that weapons do not promote peace and just prolong war.
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,665
Ian1779 said:
Stop deflecting and answer the question. There must be something in the 2 minute clip you found offensive, or are you just piling on the centrist dad outrage because it’s happening on Twitter.
I have my own opinions on what he has said in the clip which I’ll share but let’s hear what you actually think.
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How is it deflecting? You think Starmer is unelectable for whatever reasons yet are seemingly fine with what Corbyn says there.

The whole clip is a shambles from start to finish.

Firstly he's appearing on a pro Russian channel that parrots Russian propaganda. (plus it's pro Assad and pro Hezbollah).

Then he says Ukrainian citizens and Russian soldiers are comparable.

No mention of Ukrainian soldiers.

Says we should not arm Ukraine.

Says the only way to resolve it is sit down for peace talks.

Says Africa has no economical interests in Russia or Ukraine.

It's fucking awful from start to finish. I don't know how anyone could defend that and then say Starmer is unelectable.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,666
PVA said:
How is it deflecting? You think Starmer is unelectable for whatever reasons yet are seemingly fine with what Corbyn says there.

The whole clip is a shambles from start to finish.

Firstly he's appearing on a pro Russian channel that parrots Russian propaganda. (plus it's pro Assad and pro Hezbollah).

Then he says Ukrainian citizens and Russian soldiers are comparable.

No mention of Ukrainian soldiers.

Says we should not arm Ukraine.

Says the only way to resolve it is sit down for peace talks.

Says Africa has no economical interests in Russia or Ukraine.

It's fucking awful from start to finish. I don't know how anyone could defend that and then say Starmer is unelectable.
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How much of the above is based on what you know rather than just extrapolating the tweet?
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,667
PVA said:
How is it deflecting? You think Starmer is unelectable for whatever reasons yet are seemingly fine with what Corbyn says there.

The whole clip is a shambles from start to finish.

Firstly he's appearing on a pro Russian channel that parrots Russian propaganda. (plus it's pro Assad and pro Hezbollah).

Then he says Ukrainian citizens and Russian soldiers are comparable.

No mention of Ukrainian soldiers.

Says we should not arm Ukraine.

Says the only way to resolve it is sit down for peace talks.

Says Africa has no economical interests in Russia or Ukraine.

It's fucking awful from start to finish. I don't know how anyone could defend that and then say Starmer is unelectable.
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Firstly I never said I defended it, you just assume that.

The clip is 2 mins long, but I assume it was longer…..interestingly whatever question he was asked has been cut out
He didn’t compare Ukraine citizens with Russian soldiers he said ‘young conscripted Russians soldiers’ I guess his implication here is against their choice but I agree that it’s a comparison that shouldn’t have been made.
Africa has no economic gain from war, but does gain from peace in terms of food supply.
In terms of peace - what do you propose then, because we’re 8 months in - no closer to a solution and everyone appears to have stopped caring.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,668
The original tweet came from Nick Reeves #FBPA #FBPE #PATH Ukrainian flag in bio - huge red flag if you ask me
 

Otis

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,669


Well that policy lasted all of 5 minutes
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 2, 2022
  • #19,670
fernandopartridge said:
How much of the above is based on what you know rather than just extrapolating the tweet?
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I'm not extrapolating anything. He literally says those things.
 
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