Do you want to discuss boring politics? (16 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Jul 28, 2022

Grendel said:
There’s little point in debating in but I do think your political leanings prejudice your standpoint.

I mean, you say “if he’s done that” - that in itself is absolute nonsense - you know full well what he’s like and frankly if he’s the Coventrian you’d be over him

As for @PVA you constantly abused @SkyBlueDom26 purely as you thought he was stupid and Tory. PVA is very stupid and backs Labour. He I would guess is the same age as Dom but as he adopts the left mantra it’s all fine despite the fact he clearly is a really stupid easily manipulated individual. So I laugh at him and that’s bickering but you often would abuse Dom - as did O Day - and he ended up leaving the forum

Others have left the forum as they have also been laughed at, threatened and abused.

No football forum would really allow O Day on it. I actually don’t care as he’s a sad spineless twat but he offers nothing

Tony - who I know sends pathetic DMs to people trying to egg them on - why is he allowed on here? He’s sent over 1,000 messages since May 5th - the last time he actually vaguely posted about CCFC (it was something about Dion Dublin) - but constantly acts as a sad rabble rouser. He’s pointless on a football forum.

No one really wants a politics section on here. They want an exclusive section where the like minded - and in certain cases the feeble minded - just have a jolly time in their left field minds

The “bickering” hardly has much impact anyway as it’s mainly restricted to off topic which very few bother with

I’d actually ban the whole element if it and make everyone talk pure ccfc for a few months. That I think would solve the problem

Sends DM’s to egg people on. You’re confusing me with yourself on that score. Not once have I ever done such a thing.

And all this victim playing you’re doing. You’re the nastiest piece of shit on here. Always thinking you’re superior, always belittling people on the assumption that you’re wealthier than they are as if it validates your opinion above anyone else’s, all the childish name calling that when I meet you turns out you’re the one with little man complex, I found it hilarious that you’d spent years calling me little Tony on the assumption I’m a short arse with a little man complex and then being 5’11” I had to bend down to shake your hand, the fantasies you express about people who disagree with you being in some homoerotic scenario, the list goes on and on. It seems the only people on here who ever really like you are the racists, usually for a short time as thankfully they tend to get banned, but while they’re on here you’re like Vera Lynn to them, you’re their sweetheart.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

shmmeee said:
A bit of me wonders whether he’s up for it or if he’s enjoying himself as Mayor too much. But yeah someone like him would be perfect. Says a lot that we need to look outside Parliament though. We really need a decent influx of MPs at the next election.

Deleted member 5849 said:
I have my doubts about him, wasn't convincing when he had the chance and, much like Ed Milliband, once the shackles are off he comes alive and looks more convincing once he's out the system.

Said it before and I'll say it again - sack the advisors who try and turn people into Blair clones. Of course you should take note of what won Blair elections, but he's one personality and others are, well, others.

Yes in 2015 he was in the ‘please don’t make me say what I think’ camp. Think he’s genuinely very different now but is obviously very comfortable where he is. If Starmer wins in ‘24 the discussion is irrelevant anyway.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

rob9872 said:
Now seems a good time to ask ...

Theres an election tomorrow, what Labour policy and change do you want, why should someone vote for them (and I don't mean let's give huge pay rises to any union led movement/public sector workers or pretend to love the NHS becauseI the nasty Tories are dismantling it). Genuine changes you'd make (and fk climate control I don't want to hear it we're pissing in the wind with that over here). It can't all be spend spend spend and 'we must be better than them'. Convince me.

In no particular order

A flat VAT cut to 15% or lower
Commitment to a maximum classroom cap of 25
Legalisation of cannabis
A raise in the minimum wage to £10/h
Renationalisation of rail and utilities
If even vaguely possible, scrap HS2 and instead use the proceeds to improve road, rail and public transport across the 4 nations
Raising corporation tax back to pre 2010 levels

I could go on but happy to expand on the rationale for any of them.

rob9872 · Jul 28, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
In no particular order

A flat VAT cut to 15% or lower
Commitment to a maximum classroom cap of 25
Legalisation of cannabis
A raise in the minimum wage to £10/h
Renationalisation of rail and utilities
If even vaguely possible, scrap HS2 and instead use the proceeds to improve road, rail and public transport across the 4 nations
Raising corporation tax back to pre 2010 levels

I could go on but happy to expand on the rationale for any of them.

Happy to agree those. Do Labour?

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

rob9872 said:
Happy to agree those. Do Labour?

Well when they release a manifesto we’ll know, but I doubt it on most of them.

Grendel · Jul 28, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well when they release a manifesto we’ll know, but I doubt it on most of them.

Id be interested in your costingS on classrooms fineness the impact on private schools from scrapping the VAT savings on them

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

Grendel said:
Id be interested in your costingS on classrooms fineness the impact on private schools from scrapping the VAT savings on them

The classroom cap would require a very large investment in facilities but one I think is worth it to substantially raise the quality of state education and equally reduce the loss of more experienced teachers from the profession.

If this and other things hadn’t been ignored for 12 years the cost now would be nowhere near as high. But that’s really what it is-making up for lost time.

JAM See · Jul 28, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
In no particular order

A flat VAT cut to 15% or lower
Commitment to a maximum classroom cap of 25
Legalisation of cannabis
A raise in the minimum wage to £10/h
Renationalisation of rail and utilities
If even vaguely possible, scrap HS2 and instead use the proceeds to improve road, rail and public transport across the 4 nations
Raising corporation tax back to pre 2010 levels

I could go on but happy to expand on the rationale for any of them.

I'm somewhat on the fence with this one.

Don't have a problem with the idea (I don't partake myself as it makes me nauseous), but my bigger concern is that the burning and inhaling of any organic compound is inherently dangerous.

As a society we are, quite rightly, trying to reduce the harm caused by smoking.

What will the state approved delivery method be for THC consumption? It can't be smoking.

Ian1779 · Jul 28, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
There was no support for a second referendum in large parts of the country, it would not have done Labour any favours. The seats it lost were mostly leave voting places after all, 60 seats lost of which I think 8 or 9 were remain seats. The party did win 1 other remain seat (Putney). The metropolitan areas it held were often remain voting too.

They lost 54 seats - 52 were leave seats in areas where Lab vote had been on the decline since 2005, it was the icing on the cake. They lost Kensington due to a pathetic approach from the Lib Dems who told the world they could win there when all they could achieve is let the Tories through the middle.

Grendel · Jul 28, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The classroom cap would require a very large investment in facilities but one I think is worth it to substantially raise the quality of state education and equally reduce the loss of more experienced teachers from the profession.

If this and other things hadn’t been ignored for 12 years the cost now would be nowhere near as high. But that’s really what it is-making up for lost time.

were classrooms 25 in 2010 then?

Do you think corporation tax increases would add any revenue?

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

JAM See said:
I'm somewhat on the fence with this one.

Don't have a problem with the idea (I don't partake myself as it makes me nauseous), but my bigger concern is that the burning and inhaling of any organic compound is inherently dangerous.

As a society we are, quite rightly, trying to reduce the harm caused by smoking.

What will the state approved delivery method be for THC consumption? It can't be smoking.

I’ve never smoked anything in my life, but I think cannabis if anything does less harm than tobacco despite stinking just as much. The Colorado model is one I’d like to see used over here.

Grendel · Jul 28, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’ve never smoked anything in my life, but I think cannabis if anything does less harm than tobacco despite stinking just as much. The Colorado model is one I’d like to see used over here.

why? What’s the benefit to the economy?

Ian1779 · Jul 28, 2022

rob9872 said:
Now seems a good time to ask ...

Theres an election tomorrow, what Labour policy and change do you want, why should someone vote for them (and I don't mean let's give huge pay rises to any union led movement/public sector workers or pretend to love the NHS becauseI the nasty Tories are dismantling it). Genuine changes you'd make (and fk climate control I don't want to hear it we're pissing in the wind with that over here). It can't all be spend spend spend and 'we must be better than them'. Convince me.

Don’t know how to word this exactly but something along the lines of government contracts only go to companies that pay tax in the UK. And at local government level contracts go to local businesses. We hear a lot about ‘best of British’ so what better way to promote it by giving British businesses the work.
Also a massive expansion of the apprenticeship program from 14 onwards. We are desperately crying out for good trades in this country and there are youngsters that would have a far better time doing these than being forced to go through the academic one size fits all model.

Grendel · Jul 28, 2022

Ian1779 said:
Don’t know how to word this exactly but something along the lines of government contracts only go to companies that pay tax in the UK. And at local government level contracts go to local businesses. We hear a lot about ‘best of British’ so what better way to promote it by giving British businesses the work.
Also a massive expansion of the apprenticeship program from 14 onwards. We are desperately crying out for good trades in this country and there are youngsters that would have a far better time doing these than being forced to go through the academic one size fits all model.

first bit is a bit of Brexit ideology isn’t it?

shmmeee · Jul 28, 2022

rob9872 said:
Now seems a good time to ask ...

Theres an election tomorrow, what Labour policy and change do you want, why should someone vote for them (and I don't mean let's give huge pay rises to any union led movement/public sector workers or pretend to love the NHS becauseI the nasty Tories are dismantling it). Genuine changes you'd make (and fk climate control I don't want to hear it we're pissing in the wind with that over here). It can't all be spend spend spend and 'we must be better than them'. Convince me.

Bit hard to say before manifestos are released and without knowing what your priorities are, so a nice general one is that the economy tends to grow faster and we run a lower deficit under Labour governments than Tory, mostly because a focus is on growth rather than tax cuts. A less selfish reason would be reduced homelessness and poverty, which even if you don’t care about at least you’ll be asked for spare change less

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

Grendel said:
were classrooms 25 in 2010 then?

Do you think corporation tax increases would add any revenue?

Class sizes have been too big for a very long time. What do you think of the principle anyway?

Higher corporation tax would of course bring in more revenue up to a point. As would higher income tax for those earning 6 and 7 figure salaries. Counteract it though with higher minimum wages and in turn you reduce the number of working people still relying on state support.

shmmeee · Jul 28, 2022

Ian1779 said:
Don’t know how to word this exactly but something along the lines of government contracts only go to companies that pay tax in the UK. And at local government level contracts go to local businesses. We hear a lot about ‘best of British’ so what better way to promote it by giving British businesses the work.
Also a massive expansion of the apprenticeship program from 14 onwards. We are desperately crying out for good trades in this country and there are youngsters that would have a far better time doing these than being forced to go through the academic one size fits all model.

The first half of this would have the nice side effect of cutting the likes of Serco off at the knees.

Second part is why I want a middle school system and have 14-19 able to be anything from trade apprenticeships to grammar style Uni focused pathways, to art, sports and music colleges and everything in between.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

Grendel said:
why? What’s the benefit to the economy?

Well it creates another industry and with that comes jobs and tax. I mean really non violent drug offenders being in prison is a waste of funding on top of that.

Ian1779 · Jul 28, 2022

Grendel said:
first bit is a bit of Brexit ideology isn’t it?

You’re right I suppose - doesn’t make it a bad idea though.

shmmeee · Jul 28, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The classroom cap would require a very large investment in facilities but one I think is worth it to substantially raise the quality of state education and equally reduce the loss of more experienced teachers from the profession.

If this and other things hadn’t been ignored for 12 years the cost now would be nowhere near as high. But that’s really what it is-making up for lost time.

I think you could do it without huge facilities investment:

0-6: Daycare style, looser curriculum and focus on social skills and the like. Should enable the private sector to be more affordable at lower ages like some places in Europe. Lots of maternity/paternity support 0-2

7-10: Primary School, same buildings now have half the students in them as we’ve lost R/1/6 and just have years 2/3/4/5

11-14: Middle School: mostly use existing secondary schools for this. Years 6/7/8/9 so again half the students.

15-19: High School: all kinds of types of school for students to choose along with their options (though I’d change the assessment structure too). These can be existing secondary sites, office based, mostly on site at a workplace, university based, whatever. Keep a strong generalist option, and maybe combine multiple specialisms on one site, but also allow wide choice.

Funding wise you move R/1 to the private sector and 15-19 you look for more private investment. Leaving the existing school budget and staff and facilities for years 2-9.

Grendel · Jul 28, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Class sizes have been too big for a very long time. What do you think of the principle anyway?

Higher corporation tax would of course bring in more revenue up to a point. As would higher income tax for those earning 6 and 7 figure salaries. Counteract it though with higher minimum wages and in turn you reduce the number of working people still relying on state support.

Dont agree with corporation tax at all - ours is what 18% now?

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 28, 2022

Grendel said:
Shame IRA won’t know that as he has us on ignore unless I guess someone tells him

That's a given. Then he'll come roaring back at his very best. I'll give him 24 hours top.

Grendel · Jul 28, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well it creates another industry and with that comes jobs and tax. I mean really non violent drug offenders being in prison is a waste of funding on top of that.

its actuality even more liberal than the Netherlands do you think the uk would agree with that?

Grendel · Jul 28, 2022

Ian1779 said:
You’re right I suppose - doesn’t make it a bad idea though.

its why Corbyn liked brexit

Deleted member 9744 · Jul 28, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
There was no support for a second referendum in large parts of the country, it would not have done Labour any favours. The seats it lost were mostly leave voting places after all, 60 seats lost of which I think 8 or 9 were remain seats. The party did win 1 other remain seat (Putney). The metropolitan areas it held were often remain voting too.

Couldn't disagree more. I found Labour's inability to put forward the real reasons why leaving was a disaster to the public was toxic under Corbyn and I was hugely disappointed by the failure to campaign for a second referendum. You go on about Labour not sticking to its principles but say they can't say what us right for fear of losing Northern voters who don't like foreigners.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 28, 2022

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
That's a given. Then he'll come roaring back at his very best. I'll give him 24 hours top.

David O'Day · Jul 28, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

shmmeee said:
I think you could do it without huge facilities investment:

0-6: Daycare style, looser curriculum and focus on social skills and the like. Should enable the private sector to be more affordable at lower ages like some places in Europe. Lots of maternity/paternity support 0-2

7-10: Primary School, same buildings now have half the students in them as we’ve lost R/1/6 and just have years 2/3/4/5

11-14: Middle School: mostly use existing secondary schools for this. Years 6/7/8/9 so again half the students.

15-19: High School: all kinds of types of school for students to choose along with their options (though I’d change the assessment structure too). These can be existing secondary sites, office based, mostly on site at a workplace, university based, whatever. Keep a strong generalist option, and maybe combine multiple specialisms on one site, but also allow wide choice.

Funding wise you move R/1 to the private sector and 15-19 you look for more private investment. Leaving the existing school budget and staff and facilities for years 2-9.

That’s the kind of overhaul that would need two or three terms to implement along with a complete rewrite of teacher training. I would favour a system with a core academic curriculum for all but with a range of pathways for people to choose from at 14+.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

Grendel said:
Dont agree with corporation tax at all - ours is what 18% now?

Even the 25% Sunak wants would be low by first world standards?

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

Grendel said:
its actuality even more liberal than the Netherlands do you think the uk would agree with that?

It’s a chance for new business and for us to spend less on keeping people in prison for non violent offences. Like I said, it’s worked quite well in a number of American states

Grendel · Jul 28, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Even the 25% Sunak wants would be low by first world standards?

What’s Ireland?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jul 28, 2022

Evo1883 said:
Just heard about the centrica profits .. absolutely vile .

Absolute disgrace and shows what they care about isn't their customers. When the price they pay goes up, consumer bills go up. When it comes down, bills don't. Wonder what pay rise their workers got?

But are those in government doing anything about this blatant profiteering? Are they fuck.

Grendel · Jul 28, 2022

Grendel said:
What’s Ireland?

Dont know why BSB thinks that’s funny

Ok Whats Germany

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 28, 2022

Grendel said:
Dont know why BSB thinks that’s funny

Ok Whats Germany

Ring of Grendel, made me chuckle

PVA · Jul 28, 2022

Oh no, he's talking to himself again.

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