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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,461
Deleted member 5849 said:
For the record, IRA = bad, UDA = bad, UVF = bad. It really shouldn't need to be said, as all but an imbecile would see that as obvious but hey, this thread is being reduced to a thread of imbeciles.
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That really is the point. I support NI being part of the Union. Doesn’t automatically mean I support act’s of violence by loyalist terrorist groups even though I share one view with their members. Like you say, all terrorism is bad.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,462
skybluetony176 said:
That really is the point. I support NI being part of the Union. Doesn’t automatically mean I support act’s of violence by loyalist terrorist groups even though I share one view with their members. Like you say, all terrorism is bad.
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We're supposed to have moved on from that too. Possibly Major's greatest legacy, although he doesn't really get the credit.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,463
Deleted member 5849 said:
How about just stopping, now, and those two will stop, now, and we can get on to the endless round of laughing at Johnson, despairing at Truss, and bickering over the game of 'just how lefty are you'?
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Maybe, I would like an apology for being called a "taig" though
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,464
David O'Day said:
Maybe, I would like an apology for being called a "taig" though
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How about take the compromise of it being left from now on, and everyone's happy.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,465
Turns out Tarry wasn't sacked for joining a picket line but in fact for the interview he gave where he went against labour policy,

It's a different conversation to be had there but the difference is important

Keir Starmer’s sacking of Sam Tarry a severe mistake, says John McDonnell

Labour leader accused of stoking unnecessary row by firing shadow minister over interviews from picket lines
www.theguardian.com
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,466
Deleted member 5849 said:
How about take the compromise of it being left from now on, and everyone's happy.
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Ok, i will laugh at him when he says stupid things though
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,467
Deleted member 5849 said:
We're supposed to have moved on from that too. Possibly Major's greatest legacy, although he doesn't really get the credit.
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I know I’ll always respect Major for the ceasefire and laying the foundations for the GFA. I was in NI for a couple of weeks during the first summer of the ceasefire and it felt like a weight had been lifted off the shoulders of NI. I was there for the 12th (went to visit family, not specifically there for the 12th it just happened to coincide), got well and truly drunk, watched the marching, cheered the family band, went to enniskillen to go clubbing with a gang of cousins. It was great until one cousin (female) who hadn’t entered into the spirit of the ceasefire as much as everyone else there decided to fight a catholic (also female). The RUC (now PSNI) turned up and I was surprised by their response. Even 2 years earlier we all would have been arrested (probably taken a few hits in the process) and spent the night in the cells. Instead they diffused the situation and even arranged taxis to get everyone involved out of there so the situation didn’t escalate. It was the first time I truly believed that the piece process was going to work. I think the argument had burnt itself out and people on all sides were ready for change. That was the genius of Major, he read the situation brilliantly, used statesmanship to offer a vision, put his big boy pants on and got all sides talking while arranging a long-standing ceasefire in the process. I still think it’s the best example of political craft I’ve seen in my lifetime and I think it always will be.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,468
David O'Day said:
Turns out Tarry wasn't sacked for joining a picket line but in fact for the interview he gave where he went against labour policy,

It's a different conversation to be had there but the difference is important

Keir Starmer’s sacking of Sam Tarry a severe mistake, says John McDonnell

Labour leader accused of stoking unnecessary row by firing shadow minister over interviews from picket lines
www.theguardian.com
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This is true, but it's about perception.
Theres a report out today that basically says the foreign office under truss is a shambles yet this will get more coverage. That's what any LOTO is up against
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,469
clint van damme said:
This is true, but it's about perception.
Theres a report out today that basically says the foreign office under truss is a shambles yet this will get more coverage. That's what any LOTO is up against
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Yeah he was sack it seems for giving an unauthorised interview as a shadow transport spokesman
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,470
skybluetony176 said:
I know I’ll always respect Major for the ceasefire and laying the foundations for the GFA. I was in NI for a couple of weeks during the first summer of the ceasefire and it felt like a weight had been lifted off the shoulders of NI. I was there for the 12th (went to visit family, not specifically there for the 12th it just happened to coincide), got well and truly drunk, watched the marching, cheered the family band, went to enniskillen to go clubbing with a gang of cousins. It was great until one cousin (female) who hadn’t entered into the spirit of the ceasefire as much as everyone else there decided to fight a catholic (also female). The RUC (now PSNI) turned up and I was surprised by their response. Even 2 years earlier we all would have been arrested (probably taken a few hits in the process) and spent the night in the cells. Instead they diffused the situation and even arranged taxis to get everyone involved out of there so the situation didn’t escalate. It was the first time I truly believed that the piece process was going to work. I think the argument had burnt itself out and people on all sides were ready for change. That was the genius of Major, he read the situation brilliantly, used statesmanship to offer a vision, put his big boy pants on and got all sides talking while arranging a long-standing ceasefire in the process. I still think it’s the best example of political craft I’ve seen in my lifetime and I think it always will be.
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Major is a good man, not all tories are cunts. Just the current mob and Maggie Thatcher
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,471
David O'Day said:
Major is a good man, not all tories are cunts. Just the current mob and Maggie Thatcher
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It’s hard to see a Major in the current bunch. Rory Stewart was probably the closest but he was too intelligent for the current Tory party.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,472
Major would of been culled by Johnson in 2019. This is the issue with the tory party is they got rid of the moderates and replaced them with lego eaters like Gullis,
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,473
shmmeee said:
My most controversial political opinion is that we should scrap the green belt.

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I can understand the logic as the green belt pushing up land values within cities has been a disaster for everybody
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 28, 2022
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,475
Ian1779 said:
There is little vision left in politicians anymore, because that requires thinking beyond yourself and the immediate and about the next generation. Cost of living, climate emergency - pretty much all of them have nothing to offer us.

Likewise you can say the same about education be it SoS, DfE, Multi Academy Trust and even Headteachers - no vision for what the future needs, just short termism.
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I know two head teachers and they have real visions for their schools it’s why they are excellent
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,476
David O'Day said:
Turns out Tarry wasn't sacked for joining a picket line but in fact for the interview he gave where he went against labour policy,

It's a different conversation to be had there but the difference is important

Keir Starmer’s sacking of Sam Tarry a severe mistake, says John McDonnell

Labour leader accused of stoking unnecessary row by firing shadow minister over interviews from picket lines
www.theguardian.com
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Is he going to sack Rachel Reeves?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,477
shmmeee said:
This seems like an appropriate time to remind people we live in a parliamentary democracy not a presidential one and no one or almost no one in this thread will vote for Starmer or Truss or Sunak. The relentless focus on the leader by all sides is silly, you’re voting 300 odd people into power.
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Yep a representative democracy too that’s so right
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,478
fernandopartridge said:
Is he going to sack Rachel Reeves?
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why would he? she been going rouge and giving unauthorised interviews?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,479
David O'Day said:
why would he? she been going rouge and giving unauthorised interviews?
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Not rouge just very grey
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,480
fernandopartridge said:
I can understand the logic as the green belt pushing up land values within cities has been a disaster for everybody
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I also find it quite elitist. I waffle on about this but moving from Foleshill straight to Finham a few years back really highlighted the stark differences. The green belt may as well have been a million miles away when I lived in Foleshill, the closest I got was dodging crackheads down the canal.

I think it kicks the can of designing sustainable ecologically sound mass housing and livable cities as well.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,481
David O'Day said:
Turns out Tarry wasn't sacked for joining a picket line but in fact for the interview he gave where he went against labour policy,

It's a different conversation to be had there but the difference is important

Keir Starmer’s sacking of Sam Tarry a severe mistake, says John McDonnell

Labour leader accused of stoking unnecessary row by firing shadow minister over interviews from picket lines
www.theguardian.com
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But Tarry was sacked for telling broadcasters it was “not acceptable to offer below-inflation pay rises” to workers because it would mean a real-terms pay cut.

Tarry was told Labour’s official position was that it was for ministers and unions to negotiate terms.
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That’s worse TBH.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 28, 2022
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shmmeee said:
I also find it quite elitist. I waffle on about this but moving from Foleshill straight to Finham a few years back really highlighted the stark differences. The green belt may as well have been a million miles away when I lived in Foleshill, the closest I got was dodging crackheads down the canal.

I think it kicks the can of designing sustainable ecologically sound mass housing and livable cities as well.
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I'm not comfortable about space disappearing, though. A radical solution would be to classify some town and city areas as a greenbelt equivalent, increase the number of public green spaces available within them, rather than dispense with a greenbelt. It's also about keeping certain identities, so communities don't get subsumed into the whole (as, indeed, has happened in places like Foleshill).

it comes down to the fact that, like it or not, we are overpopulated as an island, really!
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 28, 2022
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fernandopartridge said:
Not rouge just very grey
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so has she done what sam tarry did? you need to get over her

you probably blame her if you stub your toe
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,484
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'm not comfortable about space disappearing, though. A radical solution would be to classify some town and city areas as a greenbelt equivalent, increase the number of public green spaces available within them, rather than dispense with a greenbelt. It's also about keeping certain identities, so communities don't get subsumed into the whole (as, indeed, has happened in places like Foleshill).

it comes down to the fact that, like it or not, we are overpopulated as an island, really!
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Yeah I’d want a sort of green middle. With corridors for nature planned in and as you say more parks and stuff like Canley ford carved out.

I don’t think we are overpopulated TBH. We’re down at 50th for population density below places like the Netherlands and Japan. I also think we might see big improvements in land use efficiency if we can crack stuff like self driving cars and package delivery. Replace shops and car parks with residential and parks. And we’re well below replenishment rate without immigration so it’s pretty easy to turn off the taps if we want.

And I do think people overestimate exactly how much we’ve built on:

 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 28, 2022
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shmmeee said:
I don’t think we are overpopulated TBH. We’re down at 50th for population density below places like the Netherlands and Japan.
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If you look at our population compared to France and Spain, however... (OOIC was that England density, as that's where it mostly is) then we certainly are.

Shame the solution means speaking to the French really

Oh, compare Binley, Walsgrave, Foleshill etc to 50 years ago, even. Things close up, cultures become more subsumed. That's to be avoided continuing really. The creep happens with Binley and Binley Woods next.

Once upon a time, it was all fields(!) And of course yeah, you're on the edge of it it becomes elitest, but then Binley etc were on the edge of it not so long ago.
 

Ian1779

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,486
Sky Blue Pete said:
I know two head teachers and they have real visions for their schools it’s why they are excellent
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Are the schools part of big trusts? There are so many schools that are hamstrung being part of them.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,487
David O'Day said:
Maybe, I would like an apology for being called a "taig" though
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I changed your name to David O'Taig . Would you like an apology .
Sorry for calling you David O' Taig. How about O'Twat ?

You're still an IRA sympathiser though. Always will be .
 
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  • Jul 28, 2022
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Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I changed your name to David O'Taig . Would you like an apology .
Sorry for calling you David O' Taig. .
How's that then?
You're still an IRA sympathiser though. Always will be .
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Fucking hell, you absolute pillock. Does it make you big, does it make you clever to keep going? Is this what you'd teach in school? Or maybe he shuts up, you shut up.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,489
Deleted member 5849 said:
If you look at our population compared to France and Spain, however... (OOIC was that England density, as that's where it mostly is) then we certainly are.

Shame the solution means speaking to the French really

Oh, compare Binley, Walsgrave, Foleshill etc to 50 years ago, even. Things close up, cultures become more subsumed. That's to be avoided continuing really. The creep happens with Binley and Binley Woods next.

Once upon a time, it was all fields(!) And of course yeah, you're on the edge of it it becomes elitest, but then Binley etc were on the edge of it not so long ago.
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I’m just saying I’d rather legislate for development to retain a reasonable level of natural green space rather than the current system which creates all kinds of perverse incentives. Of course no one wants to see natural space go, but that ship has sailed really as you say, eventually cities grow because populations grow.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,490
David O'Day said:
so has she done what sam tarry did? you need to get over her

you probably blame her if you stub your toe
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I'm perfectly entitled to criticise her if I want to, get over it
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,491
David O'Day said:
so has she done what sam tarry did? you need to get over her

you probably blame her if you stub your toe
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Spoken the truth about the strikes? No she hasn’t
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2022
  • #19,492
Deleted member 5849 said:
If you look at our population compared to France and Spain, however... (OOIC was that England density, as that's where it mostly is) then we certainly are.

Shame the solution means speaking to the French really

Oh, compare Binley, Walsgrave, Foleshill etc to 50 years ago, even. Things close up, cultures become more subsumed. That's to be avoided continuing really. The creep happens with Binley and Binley Woods next.

Once upon a time, it was all fields(!) And of course yeah, you're on the edge of it it becomes elitest, but then Binley etc were on the edge of it not so long ago.
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England's population density will be distorted by Greater London (but then again I suppose the same applies for Paris and Madrid)
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 28, 2022
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Ian1779 said:
Are the schools part of big trusts? There are so many schools that are hamstrung being part of them.
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They are both in coventry and part of wider trusts
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 28, 2022
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Ian1779 said:
Are the schools part of big trusts? There are so many schools that are hamstrung being part of them.
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Trusts make no sense to me. Schools are made up of teachers, parents and kids and can’t really be lifted and shifted to a new set and any economies of scale would be better served by the LA or central government. We seem to have said schools need more autonomy so let’s have lots of little authorities rather than one big one.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jul 28, 2022
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fernandopartridge said:
I'm perfectly entitled to criticise her if I want to, get over it
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you have every right to do so, just wondered what the link between the 2 was
 
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