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Ian1779

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  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,286
David O'Day said:
labour been calling for more support for about a year now, the tories even nicked one of their ideas

but let's not let facts get in the way of a shit meme
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Yeah like 5% VAT Reduction… viva la revolution!!
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,287


I'm not one of the Starmer haters, but this is a major fuckup.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,288
JAM See said:
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I'm not one of the Starmer haters, but this is a major fuckup.
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he was warned
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,289
Ian1779 said:
Yeah like 5% VAT Reduction… viva la revolution!!
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no the windfall tax but let's not let truth get in the way either
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,290
David O'Day said:
he was warned
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His interview on GMB was bang on-so of course he’s binned off
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,291
David O'Day said:
he was warned
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Nothing says real leadership than behaving like a cock.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,292
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well it makes no sense-don’t vote against anything because you’re the opposition and thus don’t have the numbers?
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Blairite scum:


As you’re not forthcoming I’ve been looking and I can find:

- Covid tiers
- The above welfare cap (Corbyn also abstained)
- FSM Lords bill which wasn’t even whipped but was a huge bill involving all sorts of stuff. And Labour we’re working on another policy.

I mean either you accept abstention as a valid tool in Parliament for divisive bills and sidestepping opposition traps, or you end up arguing Corbyn and Whittome are third way Blairite snakes:

Jeremy Corbyn suffers major Brexit rebellion as 64 Labour MPs defy whip over customs union

Jeremy Corbyn has been hit by a major rebellion over Brexit after almost a quarter of his MPs defied the party leadership and backed remaining...
www.politicshome.com
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,293
Ian1779 said:
Nothing says real leadership than behaving like a cock.
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If your boss explicitly tells you not to do something very publicly and you do it anyway, what do you think would happen?

This is an SCG member making trouble and not a lot else.
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,294
shmmeee said:
If your boss explicitly tells you not to do something very publicly and you do it anyway, what do you think would happen?

This is an SCG member making trouble and not a lot else.
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Starmer is a spinleless dud but you’ll back him regardless… it’s embarrassing.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,295
Ian1779 said:
Starmer is a spinleless dud but you’ll back him regardless… it’s embarrassing.
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Regardless of whether you like him or not the polls clearly show he's not a dud.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,296
PVA said:
Regardless of whether you like him or not the polls clearly show he's not a dud.
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What are the main 3 attributes would you say of Mr Starmer
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,297
Ian1779 said:
Starmer is a spinleless dud but you’ll back him regardless… it’s embarrassing.
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Ill back whoever the leader is while they haven’t had a chance at a GE and are ahead in the polls. I’m not looking for a new best mate I’m looking for a Labour government.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,298
PVA said:
Regardless of whether you like him or not the polls clearly show he's not a dud.
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Well even Corbyn was ahead in the polls in 2019. He is coasting mostly on what he isn’t rather than what he is and if we get a non criminal PM who isn’t mired in sleaze he’ll find the going tougher.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,299
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well even Corbyn was ahead in the polls in 2019. He is coasting mostly on what he isn’t rather than what he is and if we get a non criminal PM who isn’t mired in sleaze he’ll find the going tougher.
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Milliband was miles ahead wasnt he at one point
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,300
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well even Corbyn was ahead in the polls in 2019. He is coasting mostly on what he isn’t rather than what he is and if we get a non criminal PM who isn’t mired in sleaze he’ll find the going tougher.
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When? You mean prior to the locals when everyone was protest voting and both main parties were in free fall?
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,301
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well even Corbyn was ahead in the polls in 2019. He is coasting mostly on what he isn’t rather than what he is and if we get a non criminal PM who isn’t mired in sleaze he’ll find the going tougher.
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Well regardless of why he's ahead in the polls he is, by quite a long way, so surely deserves a crack at a GE, like shmmeee says.

Seems much more sensible to get behind the Labour Party, whether you're keen on Starmer or not, and get Labour in government than snipe at absolutely everything he does and allow the Tories another 5 years because Starmer isn't the perfectly pure version of an ideal Labour leader.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,302
Right, we aren’t using polling to judge leaders between elections what are you using? Vibes?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,303
PVA said:
Well regardless of why he's ahead in the polls he is, by quite a long way, so surely deserves a crack at a GE, like shmmeee says.

Seems much more sensible to get behind the Labour Party, whether you're keen on Starmer or not, and get Labour in government than snipe at absolutely everything he does and allow the Tories another 5 years because Starmer isn't the perfectly pure version of an ideal Labour leader.
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His chancellor is practically a Tory
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,304
Grendel said:
His chancellor is practically a Tory
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So not a Tory then. Good.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,305
Grendel said:
Milliband was miles ahead wasnt he at one point
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If I remember rightly Cameron was half expecting to lose
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,306
PVA said:
So not a Tory then. Good.
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Which sums you up

If a steaming dog turd had a red Rosette on it you’d think “labour not Tory im voting for it”
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,307
PVA said:
Regardless of whether you like him or not the polls clearly show he's not a dud.
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A big chunk of his lead is based on Tories staying at home. Let’s see how that plays out post September.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,308

Shadow ministers question Labour’s stance on strikes after Tarry sacking

Labour MP removed from role as shadow transport minister after ignoring warning not to join picket lines
amp.theguardian.com
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,309
Why doesn’t Rayner stand on a picket line and sieze her chance
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,310
tHeY’rE jUsT lIkE tHe ToRiEs!!

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,311
PVA said:
Well regardless of why he's ahead in the polls he is, by quite a long way, so surely deserves a crack at a GE, like shmmeee says.

Seems much more sensible to get behind the Labour Party, whether you're keen on Starmer or not, and get Labour in government than snipe at absolutely everything he does and allow the Tories another 5 years because Starmer isn't the perfectly pure version of an ideal Labour leader.
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Starmer has given me more reasons not to vote for him than to vote for him. Thus far he’s

Laughed at my profession
Laughed at industrial action in a Labour stronghold
Agreed on air that young people are wasters
Cancelled his pledge to stand with unions-along with all the others he made to win the leadership
Sacked people from the shadow cabinet for the crime of going to a picket

Add in to the bargain that my local Labour MP ignores correspondence and has also ignored local requests from RMT members to go to a picket, you tell me why I should vote for them. If the answer is ‘they’re not Tories’, it’s probably not going to be enough to hold at an election.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,312
shmmeee said:
tHeY’rE jUsT lIkE tHe ToRiEs!!

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Dont worry he will get rid of that if it upsets the Middle classes in Surrey
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,313
shmmeee said:
When? You mean prior to the locals when everyone was protest voting and both main parties were in free fall?
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Do you consider the current Labour poll lead to be a protest against Johnson or tangible support for Starmer?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,314
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do you consider the current Labour poll lead to be a protest against Johnson or tangible support for Starmer?
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its clearly got fuck all to do with Starmer he’s the IDS of the left (sorry slightly right)
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,315
Grendel said:
Which sums you up

If a steaming dog turd had a red Rosette on it you’d think “labour not Tory im voting for it”
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Not remotely true given I've voted for 3 different parties in the 4 elections I've voted in.

And it's a bit rich coming from you given you quite literally did vote for a steaming dog turd at the last election because he had a blue tie on.

Not to mention the behaviour and criminality you're willing to ignore as long as they wear a blue tie.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,316
Grendel said:
Dont worry he will get rid of that if it upsets the Middle classes in Surrey
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OK mate, let’s make one of your favourite bets. If a Labour govenrment ever proposes banning striking and stripping workers rights to the level of the current Tory government, I’ll donate £1000 to the charity of your choice. Hell, make it £10,000
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,317
Grendel said:
Which sums you up

If a steaming dog turd had a red Rosette on it you’d think “labour not Tory im voting for it”
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Just like Tory voters then who voted in a steaming dog turd.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,318
PVA said:
Not remotely true given I've voted for 3 different parties in the 4 elections I've voted in.

And it's a bit rich coming from you given you quite literally did vote for a steaming dog turd at the last election because he had a blue tie on.

Not to mention the behaviour and criminality you're willing to ignore as long as they wear a blue tie.
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No I voted Johnson as he was removing the Corbyn threat - I’ve voted green as much as Tories at elections

I’ve asked many times and you can’t say anything positive about Starmer can you?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,319
Grendel said:
its clearly got fuck all to do with Starmer he’s the IDS of the left (sorry slightly right)
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He keeps bringing up the Wakefield by election which was about the textbook example of a protest vote. Genuinely the guy he’s just sacked showed more gumption and passion in that GMB segment than Starmer has in 3 years
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2022
  • #19,320
shmmeee said:
OK mate, let’s make one of your favourite bets. If a Labour govenrment ever proposes banning striking and stripping workers rights to the level of the current Tory government, I’ll donate £1000 to the charity of your choice. Hell, make it £10,000
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Tell you what let’s change that slightly. If the tories introduce any such legislation in the next two years would you pay it if Starmer doesn’t repeal it?
 
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