Brighton Sky Blue
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I thought it was when he upgraded to tikka massala from korma-the restaurant ran out of milk that day
His radical values are he once had mushy peas with some fish and chips instead of petis pois
Tories had a vip queue for studio fit out contracts as wellSounds like the set fell apart?
The night is still young.Why bother taking it down, he'll probably do another 180 at some point.
It's nothing to do with Corbyn, they are generally well supported policies even across party lines. It's quite ridiculous to suggest that nationalised public services are some fringe Corbynite idea.You OK mate?
I want nationalisation, in fact I want extra nationalisation to create care and software for the public good. I can just also see why you might not focus on it when a large part of your pitch is “I’m not Jeremy Corbyn”.
I’ve been saying since Corbyn jumped the shark the worst thing about him was toxifying decent left wing policies and how well have to over correct to gain voter trust back.
It's nothing to do with Corbyn, they are generally well supported policies even across party lines. It's quite ridiculous to suggest that nationalised public services are some fringe Corbynite idea.
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It's ridiculous that if there are profits, they go to foreign owned utility and rail companies as they own the franchises in the main... and if there are losses, then the government can't let a rail system or water supply fail, anyway.Of course it’s not - railway nationalisation at least does make sense and I don’t think they’d be a massive outcry from the majority of utilities were but railway isn’t an argument
It's ridiculous that if there are profits, they go to foreign owned utility and rail companies... and if there are losses, then the government can't let a rail system or water supply fail, anyway.
Even on the most basic of free market economics, having a choice of make money or be bailed out won't increase efficiency as you take away the risk... but you also take away the benefits of public ownership, and add an extra layer of red tape in there too, for good measure!
It's ridiculous that if there are profits, they go to foreign owned utility and rail companies as they own the franchises in the main... and if there are losses, then the government can't let a rail system or water supply fail, anyway.
Even on the most basic of free market economics, having a choice of make money or be bailed out won't increase efficiency as you take away the risk... but you also take away the benefits of public ownership, and add an extra layer of red tape in there too, for good measure!
Hence the taking away the benefits of public ownership bit. I mean, it's not even like I have a choice over my water supply anyway, is it!Its not even just about money anymore.
The French intend to buy up the last bit of EDF even though up until now its been costly.
They've been prompted to do this by the war in Ukraine.
Countries need to have as much control over their own energy supplies as possible
The whole belief was that private is always better than public. When in actuality East Coast turned out better than the rest despite remaining in state hands.
It's nothing to do with Corbyn, they are generally well supported policies even across party lines. It's quite ridiculous to suggest that nationalised public services are some fringe Corbynite idea.
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I don’t think anyone has ever thought that regarding railways
Nationalisation is probably the number one left wing policy mate in most peoples minds, come on.
And for the one millionth time: just because a policy polls well doesn’t mean you can stick as many of them as you want in a manifesto and doesn’t mean the public think you can deliver it.
Well clearly someone did. It was part of Thatchers sell the family silver drive wasn’t it?
What policies attract you to Starmer?
It was also a Beeching hack fest. No one would care and the benefits easily sold
You should get onto Liz to do it then.
Nationalisation is probably the number one left wing policy mate in most peoples minds, come on.
And for the one millionth time: just because a policy polls well doesn’t mean you can stick as many of them as you want in a manifesto and doesn’t mean the public think you can deliver it.
Same ones that attract me to Labour every GE: economic competence, funding public services, generally not having a bunch of monkeys dressed in suits running the country (just as a matter of national pride). Main one is climate action.
What makes you think Labour will be any better on climate than the tories?
Despite all your protestation - the only reason Labour have a trust issue in the seats they lost is because of their absurd PV policy.You OK mate?
I want nationalisation, in fact I want extra nationalisation to create care and software for the public good. I can just also see why you might not focus on it when a large part of your pitch is “I’m not Jeremy Corbyn”.
I’ve been saying since Corbyn jumped the shark the worst thing about him was toxifying decent left wing policies and how well have to over correct to gain voter trust back.
Despite all your protestation - the only reason Labour have a trust issue in the seats they lost is because of their absurd PV policy.
Blaming it on some crazy old guy going extra on free broadband is straight out of the centrist Dad playbook
So policy was low down then, suggesting rail and utilities re-nationalisation wouldn't be the killer...Ah yes, those “centrist dads” *checks notes* the British public:
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If you keep clinging to the idea that nothing was wrong and it was all Brexit or chicken coup ot the meeja or whatever you’re never going to fix the reason the left never fucking wins an election and I’d really like the left to wing a Fucking election.
Ah yes, those “centrist dads” *checks notes* the British public:
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If you keep clinging to the idea that nothing was wrong and it was all Brexit or chicken coup ot the meeja or whatever you’re never going to fix the reason the left never fucking wins an election and I’d really like the left to wing a Fucking election.
So policy was low down then, suggesting rail and utilities re-nationalisation wouldn't be the killer...
I'll ask again, if the way forward is to distance himself from policies like renationalisation and workers rights, why include them in his mission statement soon after becoming leader?
Things change, this is exactly why I don’t think announcing policy miles before and election is smart.
What's changed to make a Labour leader go from supporting workers rights to not supporting workers rights in just over a year? Oh yeah, covid.
How many times have we heard the tories trying to use covid as an excuse when it's clearly been bollocks?
Can you link to a statement from Starmer saying he doesn’t support workers rights?
He told front benchers not to attend picket lines.
And I know you'll say you've got to play the game but he didn't warn front benchers not to trash strikers or BA workers who were trying get pay reinstated.
And the Mail ran a story saying he secretly supported the strikes so the right wing press put the booting anyway and Starmer distances himself from working people trying to better their lot in about of living crisis, that's not a Labour leader in my book.
He told front benchers not to attend picket lines.
And I know you'll say you've got to play the game but he didn't warn front benchers not to trash strikers or BA workers who were trying get pay reinstated.
And the Mail ran a story saying he secretly supported the strikes so the right wing press put the booting anyway and Starmer distances himself from working people trying to better their lot in about of living crisis, that's not a Labour leader in my book.
Can you please show us where he has stated he doesn't support workers rights?
I get he isn't left enough for you but that statement is just nonsense
Can you please show us where he has stated he doesn't support workers rights?
I get he isn't left enough for you but that statement is just nonsense
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