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shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,146
Ian1779 said:
If you’re going to quote the JC - at least get all your bits together.

https://www.thejc.com/news/all/audrey-white-an-apology-1.497010?reloadTime=1653782400011
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I’m more saying calling this person a “Labour voter” is a little disingenuous. It’s like when that covid nutter shouted at him before and everyone got all excited. I’m not sure I’d be swinging my lot in behind them as representative of the public is all.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,147
Otis said:
What a shame. It seems an awful lot of money spent just to save a bit of time. Saving time on journeys seems great, but not at the cost it is going to prove to be.
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HS2 is about capacity not travel times.
 

Otis

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,148

HS2 is about capacity not travel times.
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Is it? All I ever hear being said is how it will cut travel times.

That's news to me. I will need to reread up on it
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,149
Deleted member 5849 said:
I fear that really has got too far now.
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It seems that way. Imagine if someone could say it were scrapped and the money put back into local transport infrastructure outside London. Proper ‘levelling up’
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,150
Otis said:
What a shame. It seems an awful lot of money spent just to save a bit of time. Saving time on journeys seems great, but not at the cost it is going to prove to be.
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The argument was always capacity, which is at least more acceptable. My main fear is how long before they close off the fast route from Coventry to Euston because it's no longer profitable...
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,151
Deleted member 5849 said:
The argument was always capacity, which is at least more acceptable. My main fear is how long before they close off the fast route from Coventry to Euston because it's no longer profitable...
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I thought Coventry trains were going to get slower because of HS2. Is that not right? I thought they were going to bypass Coventry in order to speed up times for Birmingham. Isn't that part of the reason Coventry were looking to install a light/tram rail between Coventry and Birmingham? I thought Coventry were going to lose out as a result of HS2

I must confess I have been a bit switched off with it for some time now.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,152
Deleted member 5849 said:
The argument was always capacity, which is at least more acceptable. My main fear is how long before they close off the fast route from Coventry to Euston because it's no longer profitable...
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Yeah on a personal level that’s my concern too. I don’t think it’s good for Coventry, but I do think investment in high speed infrastructure is needed.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,153
shmmeee said:
Yeah on a personal level that’s my concern too. I don’t think it’s good for Coventry, but I do think investment in high speed infrastructure is needed.
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Of course, a nationalised rail system means it'd be less likely to close on pure profit reasons...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,154
Otis said:
I thought Coventry trains were going to get slower because of HS2. Is that not right? I thought they were going to bypass Coventry in order to speed up times for Birmingham. Isn't that part of the reason Coventry were looking to install a light/tram rail between Coventry and Birmingham? I thought Coventry were going to lose out as a result of HS2

I must confess I have been a bit switched off with it for some time now.
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In theory, the Coventry line stays the same, and HS2 uses a different one. In practice... you'd assume it's not that long until Coventry becomes a satellite station to Curzon Street before you get on your high speed London train.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,155
Random to have another debate tonight
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,156
Grendel said:
Random to have another debate tonight
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It's co-hosted by the Sun, so reckon the questions are how Woke are you, who do you want to win Love Island, and what's your preferred swimwear?
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,157
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's co-hosted by the Sun, so reckon the questions are how Woke are you, who do you want to win Love Island, and what's your preferred swimwear?
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They should have saved the £4.50 earrings question for tonight.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,158
What’s happened!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,159
Grendel said:
What’s happened!
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I've just eaten dinner. If you mean the debate I ain't watching it, but BBC highlights suggests Sunak's in the wrong party currently!

Ah, and now BBC catches up. Johnson wading in to keep control...?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,160
Deleted member 5849 said:
I've just eaten dinner. If you mean the debate I ain't watching it, but BBC highlights suggests Sunak's in the wrong party currently!
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Big banging sound Liz Truss shouting oh my god and it’s been cut off!
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,161
Sounds like the set fell apart?

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,162
shmmeee said:
Sounds like the set fell apart?

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Sunaks flipped already
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,163
Well, there's always Judge Judy...
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,164
CCFCSteve said:
Sunaks flipped already
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Perhaps Boris wandered in
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,165
CCFCSteve said:
Sunaks flipped already
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Boris coming in like…


 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,166
The centrists are on a real anti renationalisation drive since Keith did his u turn, absolutely embarrassing.
They really are red tories.
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,167
Grendel said:
Perhaps Boris wandered in
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Or finally out of that fridge
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,168
clint van damme said:
The centrists are on a real anti renationalisation drive since Keith did his u turn, absolutely embarrassing.
They really are red tories.
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You OK mate?

I want nationalisation, in fact I want extra nationalisation to create care and software for the public good. I can just also see why you might not focus on it when a large part of your pitch is “I’m not Jeremy Corbyn”.

I’ve been saying since Corbyn jumped the shark the worst thing about him was toxifying decent left wing policies and how well have to over correct to gain voter trust back.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,169
shmmeee said:
You OK mate?

I want nationalisation, in fact I want extra nationalisation to create care and software for the public good. I can just also see why you might not focus on it when a large part of your pitch it “I’m not Jeremy Corbyn”.

I’ve been saying since Corbyn jumped the shark the worst thing about him was to sifting decent left wing policies and how well have to over correct to gain voter trust back.
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What's this got to do with Corbyn?
When Starmer issued his ten pledges they were all over it, now its a bad idea, its hilarious.

It really is like a cult. Nothing to do with whether they like a policy, all about which way starmer tells them the winds blowing.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,170

(Off for a shower after posting Guido)
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,171
shmmeee said:
Sounds like the set fell apart?

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Rishi dropped his wallet
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,172
shmmeee said:

(Off for a shower after posting Guido)
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Had truss just given a coherent answer or something?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,173
clint van damme said:
What's this got to do with Corbyn?
When Starmer issued his ten pledges they were all over it, now its a bad idea, its hilarious.

It really is like a cult. Nothing to do with whether they like a policy, all about which way starmer tells them the winds blowing.
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What it’s got to do with Corbyn is he was so toxic that we’ve got to position ourselves a million miles from him.

Nationalisation would be great, but it’s also a topic that will set alarm bells about spending off and lead to endless comparisons with Corbyns time as it was a tent pole policy for him.

Most people supporting Starmer want to win. I’ve had one Labour govenrment in my life and my kids have had 0. Id like them to get the benefit before they reach adulthood and if that means dropping a few fringe policies to put across a sensible restrained image then fine. Corbyn got two goes at his electoral strategy. I’m willing to give Keir one. If it doesn’t work then I hope the left manage to find someone with more charisma or leadership skills than a wet lettuce and can give it a proper go. And frankly their time would be better spent looking at how to make a left wing agenda electable than making up shit nicknames for the party leader with the right.

If you can’t support the idea that we try and assuage voter concerns to get elected then fair enough, but it’s going to keep happening as it’s clearly his strategy. And right now we’re ahead in the polls so he gets to keep doing it even if it wasn’t an unwritten rule that all Labour leaders get one GE campaign.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,174
Not the biggest audience, is it!

 
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Otis

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,175
Kate McCann still overcome with grief for Madeline?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,176
shmmeee said:
What it’s got to do with Corbyn is he was so toxic that we’ve got to position ourselves a million miles from him.

Nationalisation would be great, but it’s also a topic that will set alarm bells about spending off and lead to endless comparisons with Corbyns time as it was a tent pole policy for him.

Most people supporting Starmer want to win. I’ve had one Labour govenrment in my life and my kids have had 0. Id like them to get the benefit before they reach adulthood and if that means dropping a few fringe policies to put across a sensible restrained image then fine. Corbyn got two goes at his electoral strategy. I’m willing to give Keir one. If it doesn’t work then I hope the left manage to find someone with more charisma or leadership skills than a wet lettuce and can give it a proper go.

If you can’t support the idea that we try and assuage voter concerns to get elected then fair enough, but it’s going to keep happening as it’s clearly his strategy. And right now we’re ahead in the polls so he gets to keep doing it even if it wasn’t an unwritten rule that all Labour leaders get one GE campaign.
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So youre suggesting Starmer needs to distance himself from Corbyn policy, and the way to do that is to commit to renationalisation when he became leader and then do a u turn just over a year later, ditto his about turn on unions and workers rights?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,177
Deleted member 5849 said:
Not the biggest audience, is it!

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The only members that aren’t housebound
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,178
Still on his website.

Keir Starmer - MP for Holborn and St Pancras and Labour Leader

Keir Starmer is a husband, father, and former lawyer who has fought for fairness his whole working life. He is now Labour Party leader.
keirstarmer.com
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,179
Grendel said:
Still on his website.

Keir Starmer - MP for Holborn and St Pancras and Labour Leader

Keir Starmer is a husband, father, and former lawyer who has fought for fairness his whole working life. He is now Labour Party leader.
keirstarmer.com
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Why bother taking it down, he'll probably do another 180 at some point.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,180
clint van damme said:
Why bother taking it down, he'll probably do another 180 at some point.
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His radical values are he once had mushy peas with some fish and chips instead of petis pois
 
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