shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Its such an uphill battle though, we saw it last time. Bringing in divisive policies that play to your weaknesses with voters isn’t smart.
I'd say bringing rail, water and power back into public ownership is the best way to deal with cost of living. Set a power tarrif lower than the price cap, win votes by going populist and saying British profits for British people, borrow against future profits when said utilities make money again when subsidy no longer needed.
Yeah I’m sure that will work out a storm…. he’s done such a sterling job so far in these areas.Frankly if it’s not cost of living, climate, crime, health, education id scrap it right now. Keep the focus on a few simple policies you know everyone can defend.
But it's not a particularly divisive policy, especially atm. If you're not going to do it when prices are obscene and affecting peoples' ability to function, when *is* the right time?Its such an uphill battle though, we saw it last time. Bringing in divisive policies that play to your weaknesses with voters isn’t smart.
But it's not a particularly divisive policy, especially atm. If you're not going to do it when prices are obscene and affecting peoples' ability to function, when *is* the right time?
If we're assuming Labour 2019 was overly radical, I'd agree. 2017 played quite well though. You could argue 2017 with a less controversial and / or more articulate leader would have played even better.
The irony being that Starmer will never get 13m votes.Inb4 shmmeeee dismisses it as the Brexit election
It was, to an extent, and a more authoritative leader on that particular issue would have played better, too. It was also Johnson putting in spending plans, meaning Labour went mental with their's in return - a bit like when Tories went uber-righty when Blair claimed some of their ground.Inb4 shmmeeee dismisses it as the Brexit election
Inb4 shmmeeee dismisses it as the Brexit election
It was, to an extent, and a more authoritative leader on that particular issue would have played better, too. It was also Johnson putting in spending plans, meaning Labour went mental with their's in return - a bit like when Tories went uber-righty when Blair claimed some of their ground.
So that lost a lot of their authority. The 2017 one, sure, among certain people was seen as spend spend spend, but it played reasonably well, and was reasonably balanced too, once the party had been able to filter what Corbyn may have wanted, through what was maybe realistic. If we accept that you move a bit more centre from 2017, there's still space for basic policy goals that can remain indeterminate, and be promised when the time is right - that's surely a better approach than dismissing them entirely for the period of a parliament.
Especially when, on the other side, the former Chancellor of the Exchequer is doing a fine job of rubbishing Truss's fiscal capabilities, and is making the case for higher tax to fund higher investment!
But rail nationalisation isn't just restricted to Corbyn. It's one thing where the leadership have often been at odds with the membership.I can understand shying away from the most Corbyny policies.
Poor Sir Beer
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Was that written by a 12 year old?
Actually, did you write that?
Clearly not as it’s a labour member - calling labour members simple now are we
If someone is 'simple' then they are simple, doesn't matter what party they support.
Isnt simple a bit like being a retard? You are saying the person who wrote this has some learning disabilities?
But rail nationalisation isn't just restricted to Corbyn. It's one thing where the leadership have often been at odds with the membership.
Rail vote embarrassment for Blair
The Labour leadership was snubbed this morning when it was revealed that the party's conference had ignored its calls and voted for renationalising the railways.www.theguardian.com
And as we've seen, following the members isn't necessarily the right thing to do, but this isn't an overly controversial policy among the public at large.
Fucking hell.
What is wrong with you.
I’m just illustrating your hypocrisy
Sir Beer had better get his kilt out quick. I guess another simple guy scribed this.
'May as well be a Tory': Starmer squirms as Labour voter rages at broken promises
BORIS Johnson doesn’t like to be out in public in Scotland ... Keir Starmer has no such excuse, let alone in one of his party’s strongholds.www.thenational.scot
What is your obsession with calling people retarded?
You're a fucking weirdo.
What’s yours with calling people simple?
If you’re going to quote the JC - at least get all your bits together.
Simple means not very intelligent. Which, judging by his writing, is quite accurate.
It's very different to retard and you know it.
Actually, I'm not sure you do. Because you think retard is acceptable.
It means lacking mental capacity I think you actually meant the author is a moron as a moron is someone with the mental ability of an 8 to 12 year old
Nice
I don’t understand why we don’t have young and good looking people running for PM they would be far more popular. For example I bet more people watched Luca sing a High School Musical song last night on love island than watched the debate. I would certainly tune in if this was the case.
You have a problem. Seek help.
But rail nationalisation isn't just restricted to Corbyn. It's one thing where the leadership have often been at odds with the membership.
Rail vote embarrassment for Blair
The Labour leadership was snubbed this morning when it was revealed that the party's conference had ignored its calls and voted for renationalising the railways.www.theguardian.com
And as we've seen, following the members isn't necessarily the right thing to do, but this isn't an overly controversial policy among the public at large.
Politically, surely the time to do it is when people are complaining about the service and the cost of something, too? When would be a better time?!?I’ve said a nationalised railway system that focuses on servicing the public is a good policy especially if you want more of the public to use it as time moves on
It’s a truly bizarre U Turn
I’ve said a nationalised railway system that focuses on servicing the public is a good policy especially if you want more of the public to use it as time moves on
It’s a truly bizarre U Turn
I fear that really has got too far now.Imagine if it were possible to scrap HS2 on top
What a shame. It seems an awful lot of money spent just to save a bit of time. Saving time on journeys seems great, but not at the cost it is going to prove to be.I fear that really has got too far now.
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