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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 25, 2022
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clint van damme said:
The amount of gaffes she makes your probably better off letting her speak
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Her target audience don't see them as gaffes though
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 25, 2022
  • #19,077
Deleted member 5849 said:
Her target audience don't see them as gaffes though
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True to some extent, but letting her speak has to be a better look than keep interrupting her, Sunak has not covered himself in glory here.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 25, 2022
  • #19,078
clint van damme said:
True to some extent, but letting her speak has to be a better look than keep interrupting her, Sunak has not covered himself in glory here.
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He’s calmed down a little bit now…hopefully…gears worn off

edit - maybe not
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 25, 2022
  • #19,079
He's just so prickly under questioning, seems really thin skinned and can't take any criticism.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 25, 2022
  • #19,080
Fucking Stoke audience (half of them at least) giving Sunak a round of applause for awarding Johnson 10/10 for his performance as PM

They deserve Gullis.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 25, 2022
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clint van damme said:
What she normally has dangling round her ears is Boris Johnsons bollocks
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Oh no I am going to have nightmares about that image now
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 25, 2022
  • #19,082
Nice ending that from Sunak when asked about what one thing Truss needed to improve on

He should’ve just said her oral skills and winked at the crowd
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Jul 25, 2022
  • #19,083
And now we all know his family had a chemist shop and he used to help after school and weekends. Overplayed this one I think.
 
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stupot07

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  • Jul 25, 2022
  • #19,084
Sbarcher said:
And now we all know his family had a chemist shop and he used to help after school and weekends. Overplayed this one I think.
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Doesn't like to also mention that his dad was a GP and they moved into a 6 bed house after having their first child. Man of the people.

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shmmeee

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  • Jul 25, 2022
  • #19,085
Very disappointing on climate and the NHS, though considering the audience I can see why. But cutting food waste and recycling is more the script from a 1990s Blue Peter appeal than it is a serious plan for climate action.

stupot07 said:
Doesn't like to also mention that his dad was a GP and they moved into a 6 bed house after having their first child. Man of the people.

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Dad was a GP mum was a pharmacist, Sunak talks about “working in the shop” like he was stacking shelves.

Pretending he’s not going to be the richest PM ever is just silly, we all know he’s minted
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,086
shmmeee said:
Very disappointing on climate and the NHS, though considering the audience I can see why. But cutting food waste and recycling is more the script from a 1990s Blue Peter appeal than it is a serious plan for climate action.



Dad was a GP mum was a pharmacist, Sunak talks about “working in the shop” like he was stacking shelves.

Pretending he’s not going to be the richest PM ever is just silly, we all know he’s minted
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Whoever becomes PM is going to be presented with the plan for a NHS recruited drive to fill the 12k staff shortage.
How is Truss going to fund that if she scraps the NI rise?

She's also said EU climate laws are going.

I'm no fan of Sunak but he'd be my preference but I think he's blown it.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 26, 2022
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clint van damme said:
Whoever becomes PM is going to be presented with the plan for a NHS recruited drive to fill the 12k staff shortage.
How is Truss going to fund that if she scraps the NI rise?

She's also said EU climate laws are going.

I'm no fan of Sunak but he'd be my preference but I think he's blown it.
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He was already behind but agree, im not sure last night would’ve helped claw back much of the gap. People say he’s too polished, I’ve never seen it that way, to me he can come across as this excitable, slightly cheesy, nerd. I don’t mind that though

I’ve said before I’d certainly take that, plus apparently hard working and genuine…well, as much as a politician can be…over what we’ve had recently and certainly over truss

Hers to lose though
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
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clint van damme said:
Whoever becomes PM is going to be presented with the plan for a NHS recruited drive to fill the 12k staff shortage.
How is Truss going to fund that if she scraps the NI rise?

She's also said EU climate laws are going.

I'm no fan of Sunak but he'd be my preference but I think he's blown it.
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Not sure he ever had it, unfortunately, so has always had to go hard in the hope it pulled people towards him.
CCFCSteve said:
He was already behind but agree, im not sure last night would’ve helped claw back much of the gap. People say he’s too polished, I’ve never seen it that way, to me he can come across as this excitable, slightly cheesy, nerd. I don’t mind that though

I’ve said before I’d certainly take that, plus apparently hard working and genuine…well, as much as a politician can be…over what we’ve had recently and certainly over truss

Hers to lose though
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He's not going to get a place in her cabinet either, is he. It's going to be Rees-Mogg and Dorries in, Sunak out.

Question is will the likes of Javid swallow their pride and join it, if they're offered the chance...?

And this is where politics on both sides has become bloody stupid. It used to be you could healthily disagree, but still have a place in cabinet because you were halfway competent unless those differences became untenable. Now, it's which side you pick at a leadership election!
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,089
Same locally but on a different level
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,090
I don’t get why she kept repeating the line about going to a crap comp during the Thatcher era and Sunak doubled down by calling it the era of high inflation. They aren’t both that thick are they?

Also frustrating that the clown has hijacked what has been Labour ideology for years in wanting to invest outside London and the Gullis voters just immediately believed him. A good programme for showing how screwed the country is
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,091
Really good point:

 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,092
clint van damme said:
Whoever becomes PM is going to be presented with the plan for a NHS recruited drive to fill the 12k staff shortage.
How is Truss going to fund that if she scraps the NI rise?

She's also said EU climate laws are going.

I'm no fan of Sunak but he'd be my preference but I think he's blown it.
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It's quite something when you're there wanting someone like Rishi Sunak to win a contest.

I mean, whoever it is is a bad choice.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,093
CCFCSteve said:
He was already behind but agree, im not sure last night would’ve helped claw back much of the gap. People say he’s too polished, I’ve never seen it that way, to me he can come across as this excitable, slightly cheesy, nerd. I don’t mind that though

I’ve said before I’d certainly take that, plus apparently hard working and genuine…well, as much as a politician can be…over what we’ve had recently and certainly over truss

Hers to lose though
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He's certainly not polished when someone takes him to task on stuff. Has a very entitled 'how dare you question me!' air about him.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,094
shmmeee said:
Really good point:

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A bit like when Dominic Raab only came to realise the significance of Dover-Calais when he became Brexit secretary.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2022
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's quite something when you're there wanting someone like Rishi Sunak to win a contest.

I mean, whoever it is is a bad choice.
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The Fresh Prince of Southampton
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,096
PVA said:
A bit like when Dominic Raab only came to realise the significance of Dover-Calais when he became Brexit secretary.
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Speaking of him it was odd that they chose to remind the public of him writing a chapter on what the Tories really think of working people.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,097
I turned the debate off after a bit because I was sick to death of Sunak interrupting. He really is full of it. As for his reference to his parents owning a chemist and he working there well he had as head start on the rest of us.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,098
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I turned the debate off after a bit because I was sick to death of Sunak interrupting. He really is full of it. As for his reference to his parents owning a chemist and he working there well he had as head start on the rest of us.
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Well hidden in there is ‘work hard get rich’ which is plain nonsense
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,099
It doesn't really matter now I guess he's on the way out anyway.

But I said at the time this fucking stinks and it's clear the Met are in bed with the government


 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,100
So who was lying?

Boris Johnson returns lockdown party questionnaire to police - BBC News

Boris Johnson was one of more than 50 people to be sent the document by the Metropolitan Police.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Otis

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,101
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So who was lying?

Boris Johnson returns lockdown party questionnaire to police - BBC News

Boris Johnson was one of more than 50 people to be sent the document by the Metropolitan Police.
www.bbc.co.uk
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My guess is, the liar.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,102
Worrying thread on teacher recruitment:

 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,103
Why oh why have we got a shortage of Computing teachers! It’s a total mystery!

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,104
Confirmed

Sir Keir Starmer scraps ten 'socialist' manifesto pledges (msn.com)
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
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What I don't get is why you'd scrap a commitment to nationalise rail and public utilities. You can always claim fiscal responsibility for not doing it in a particular year, but it wouldn't even be a particularly unpopular policy in all but the most diehard righty voters - and they wouldn't vote Labour anyway, so why pander to them?

The only reason privitisation of them happened in the first place was ideology and a big majority to push them through, they were never vote winners on their own!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2022
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Deleted member 5849 said:
What I don't get is why you'd scrap a commitment to nationalise rail and public utilities. You can always claim fiscal responsibility for not doing it in a particular year, but it wouldn't even be a particularly unpopular policy in all but the most diehard righty voters - and they wouldn't vote Labour anyway, so why pander to them?

The only reason privitisation of them happened in the first place was ideology and a big majority to push them through, they were never vote winners on their own!
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Give us Andy 'What About Manchester' Burnham now please
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2022
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Deleted member 5849 said:
What I don't get is why you'd scrap a commitment to nationalise rail and public utilities. You can always claim fiscal responsibility for not doing it in a particular year, but it wouldn't even be a particularly unpopular policy in all but the most diehard righty voters - and they wouldn't vote Labour anyway, so why pander to them?

The only reason privitisation of them happened in the first place was ideology and a big majority to push them through, they were never vote winners on their own!
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Because you’ll get endless “is this the best use of £x hundred billion when families can’t pay their leccy bill?” Questions.

The problem with Corbyns manifesto wasn’t that individual policies were unpopular it was that combined they promised to spend an eye watering amount and people couldn’t believe it.

Frankly if it’s not cost of living, climate, crime, health, education id scrap it right now. Keep the focus on a few simple policies you know everyone can defend.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 26, 2022
  • #19,108
shmmeee said:
Frankly if it’s not cost of living, climate, crime, health, education id scrap it right now. Keep the focus on a few simple policies you know everyone can defend.
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What are they then and why would it entice anybody to actually bother voting?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 26, 2022
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shmmeee said:
Because you’ll get endless “is this the best use of £x hundred billion when families can’t pay their leccy bill?” Questions.

The problem with Corbyns manifesto wasn’t that individual policies were unpopular it was that combined they promised to spend an eye watering amount and people couldn’t believe it.

Frankly if it’s not cost of living, climate, crime, health, education id scrap it right now. Keep the focus on a few simple policies you know everyone can defend.
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I'd say bringing rail, water and power back into public ownership is the best way to deal with cost of living. Set a power tarrif lower than the price cap, win votes by going populist and saying British profits for British people, borrow against future profits when said utilities make money again when subsidy no longer needed.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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Oh and it's horrible to use such examples, but rationing and repairing bombed cities didn't stop the NHS and welfare state from being set up.
 
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