I think the fact the all the independent observers outside this country blame Brexit and say the U.K. has a unique issue because of the labour market and trade barriers suggests it’s got something to do with Brexit. With Brexit generally I find getting news away from U.K. sources is best for a dispassionate assessment.
I think we have escaped some of the EU inflation brought about by the war, but every source including the BoE puts at least some of the blame on Brexit. I mean it’s pretty basic economics: restrict supply of goods and workers and prices go up
Brexit has not delivered what we were told it would, its as simple as that.
No 40 trade deals.
Been awful for agriculture and fishing.
No 350 mil a week for the NHS.
GFA in jeopardy.
In your previous post you cherry picked some quarterly figures but if you look at the UKs performance as a whole since Brexit it's significantly behind other European nations.
Like you, I don't want another referendum so the politicians have to make this work, wont happen with this useless mob and I don't think stay in your lane Starmer has got it in him either though I think he has a rudimentary knowledge of European geography and doesn't think drones get scared off by barking dogs unlike the PM in waiting so I suppose that's something.
Brexit’s Legacy Is Hotter UK Inflation Risk for Years Ahead
The UK will be stuck with searing inflation for years because of Brexit, according to strategists at Wall Street’s top banks.www.bloomberg.com
Trade barriers have added a 6% increase in Uk food prices
We’ve outgrown the major EU economies since we left the EU and even outgrown those same economies since the referendum in 2016.
At least we have our country back.
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It is a mixture of both. The French have no provided enough resource, but Brexit means that proper checks are required on every single traveller. Dover port are complaining their are working slower than normal, they aren't, they're having to do more checks, stamp every book which will increase the time it takes to process each passenger.Yeah, and the only half of the border check booths at Dover are manned by the French border police. Apparently we’ve shared our expected volumes with them and yet they’re operating at half capacity.
Again, not to be blamed on Brexit. A more appropriate target would be the French frontier police.
Yes let's blame the French for something that wouldn't be an issue if we hadn't left the EU. And of course now we are not in the EU we have considerably reduced our ability to influence what the French do. It's a good job those who voted to leave knew what they were voting for.Yeah, and the only half of the border check booths at Dover are manned by the French border police. Apparently we’ve shared our expected volumes with them and yet they’re operating at half capacity.
Again, not to be blamed on Brexit. A more appropriate target would be the French frontier police.
Do you have any evidence to back this up?
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The Eurozone as a whole grew a whole 0.1% more than the UK. Which includes higher growth rates in smaller economies with more scope to grow. Meanwhile, we’ve outperformed France, Germany.
Brexit Britain's economy has outpaced Germany since the EU referendum
With the 0.www.telegraph.co.uk
This and the European stocks is literally on course to have its worst day since 2008.
Britain has allegedly seen its economy grow for the last 10+ years yet its people are worse off in real termsView attachment 25420
The Eurozone as a whole grew a whole 0.1% more than the UK. Which includes higher growth rates in smaller economies with more scope to grow. Meanwhile, we’ve outperformed France, Germany.
Brexit Britain's economy has outpaced Germany since the EU referendum
With the 0.www.telegraph.co.uk
This and the European stocks is literally on course to have its worst day since 2008.
The workforce has 1.2 million less people now than it did before COVID. Yes, Brexit would have had an impact, but certainly not 1.2m people.
Brexit hasn’t caused record numbers of early retirement, for example.
Are European observers truly ‘dispassionate?’ They also have a vested interest in Brexit not going well to avoid France and Italy (potentially others) going the same way.
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The Eurozone as a whole grew a whole 0.1% more than the UK. Which includes higher growth rates in smaller economies with more scope to grow. Meanwhile, we’ve outperformed France, Germany.
Brexit Britain's economy has outpaced Germany since the EU referendum
With the 0.www.telegraph.co.uk
This and the European stocks is literally on course to have its worst day since 2008.
Some serious cherry picking here, the damage had already started by Q4 2019. If you zoom out a bit it’s obvious:
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No one is doing that. Fundamentally brexit has negatively impacted our economy and will continue to do soI really haven’t cherry picked the data. We’ve outgrown the major EU economies since we left the EU and even outgrown those same economies since the referendum in 2016.
To judge Brexit less than 2 years into it is a bit silly. Of course there’s going to be some short term disruption.
Food prices have increased by more in the Netherlands and Germany. How is that possible if they’re still in the EU and we’re not?
The UK literally haven’t implemented full import controls to avoid supply chain issues as the economy adapts.
A point to both of you… blaming any/all issues we have as a country on Brexit will have you sounding like those Eurosceptics that blamed everything on the EU.
Someone called it on here. Beggars belief the standards people have slipped toTory members etc etc…
Classic whataboutery from all of them. Our country is going to hell because we don’t value intelligence and considered debate and although everyone is entitled to an opinion they are not all equal and validThank god we avoided having a Foreign Secretary who hasn’t got a clue what’s going on.
Although obviously not about our government etc, this video always comes to my mind when talking about how it's not necessarily the most intelligent people making the decisions on behalf of everyone. The moment of realisation on his face at the end...Classic whataboutery from all of them. Our country is going to hell because we don’t value intelligence and considered debate and although everyone is entitled to an opinion they are not all equal and valid
Yeah sure I agree. It’s not really intelligence it’s the gove comment about we don’t need experts anymore - twat!!Although obviously not about our government etc, this video always comes to my mind when talking about how it's not necessarily the most intelligent people making the decisions on behalf of everyone. The moment of realisation on his face at the end...
tbf, a house price decrease would be no bad thing...View attachment 25423
We’ll tip into recession, and screw the homeowners, but by god we are going to get these tax cuts done somehow.
Tbf if that can knock a few landlords out of the equation as well might bring a few 50+ back into the workforce.tbf, a house price decrease would be no bad thing...
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The Eurozone as a whole grew a whole 0.1% more than the UK. Which includes higher growth rates in smaller economies with more scope to grow. Meanwhile, we’ve outperformed France, Germany.
Brexit Britain's economy has outpaced Germany since the EU referendum
With the 0.www.telegraph.co.uk
This and the European stocks is literally on course to have its worst day since 2008.
Wrong thread everyone !…oh and is Tony ok ? I’m a bit unnerved there’s a Brexit discussion going on and he’s not involved. (sorry, couldn’t resist).
A couple of comments. Nearly all the current economic issues are global and although Brexit hasn’t helped (and would definitely have had a negative impact on GDP), it is a relatively minor part in the grand scheme of things. Also, people should keep a close eye on what’s happening in the Eurozone/EU in the coming months. There are some fundamental issues with a close economic/political union across very different economies and cultures and these get tested in tough times. I honestly think this could be as critical a period as any in recent times for the bloc
That being said, the government has no doubt fucked up some things post Brexit with an overly aggressive ‘ERG’ approach. I’d hoped that post Johnson the relationship with the EU could be repaired and many of the issues resolved, or at least significantly improved…unfortunately we now have the likelihood of Truss with the old ERG gang in tow
Speak for ourselves
Appreciate we’ve got our own problems, but at least we’ve only got ours to worry about…to some extent
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We’ll tip into recession, and screw the homeowners, but by god we are going to get these tax cuts done somehow.
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We’ll tip into recession, and screw the homeowners, but by god we are going to get these tax cuts done somehow.
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