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PVA

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,866
AOM said:
I remember during lockdown there being a photo of Boris with his head in his hands looking exhausted and many of the comments online were like "He really is trying his best" and "Look what the job is doing to him, heartbreaking", etc

In retrospect, he was probably just really hungover
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Yes I remember that. My gammony uncle shared it on Facebook.

And it was fake anyway.

Well, the picture was real. But it was not a photo of him stressed from dealing with Covid. It was an older photo of him during his divorce proceedings, for adultery of course. Boohoo. Tiny violin.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,867
oakey said:
Most of the loons who loved BoJo are in the process of lining up behind Truss.
Mark my words she will copy Trump tactics (courtesy of Bannon) of flooding the zone with shit. Every day will be a new act of stupidity which will be ridiculed by the Lib/left. This will make the BoJo fans side with her and the grifters and more sensible tories will see her as their best bet to retain power. If she can't pull it off they'll ditch her and the whole circus will start again.
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Which happens in every party - if Starmer fails to gain a majority the Burgon wagon will be circling - it probably already is
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,868
Mucca Mad Boys said:
On the issue of Brexit, the debate isn’t Remain versus Leave anymore. We’ve left the EU and regardless of your opinion, we need to make the most of Brexit. It’s a good thing that someone like Truss acknowledges the debate has moved on.

As for changing parties, free thinkers can change their mind. I used to be socialist and Labour card carrying member at uni, and now… I’d consider myself a centrist who could well vote for a Tory government.

In relation to Liz Truss, she’s someone born to a left wing activist family, and in the debates, shown that’s she’s been on a political journey.

Much rather a rational, logical free thinker than someone guided by ideological orthodoxy.
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4 percent of inflation is directly down to brexit. Absolutely disgrace
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,869
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Old flames reignited

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From Times article

‘If she wins Truss is expected to promote either Simon Clarke, chief secretary to the Treasury, or Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, to chancellor’

Could be handy !

Also…

‘ Nadine Dorries, the culture secretary, and Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Brexit opportunities minister, who were both key in Truss reaching the final two, are also likely to be given cabinet posts’
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,870
CCFCSteve said:
From Times article

‘If she wins Truss is expected to promote either Simon Clarke, chief secretary to the Treasury, or Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, to chancellor’

Could be handy !
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Next door wouldn't be close enough
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,871
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Next door wouldn't be close enough
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Might just knock the wall through (no euphemism intended)
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,872
Sky Blue Pete said:
4 percent of inflation is directly down to brexit. Absolutely disgrace
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What fantasy book is that from?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,873
Grendel said:
What fantasy book is that from?
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Fall in sterling against the dollar due to vote
Increase in costs of importing good from eu
Costs increase and leads to inflation

Was from a senior colleague in my departments transformation senior team. Pretty sure he’s bang on

Why you so quick to jump on it? Brexit is ab absolute shit storm for our nation and it’s economy
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,874
Dorries surely needs to be the successor as Foreign Secretary. Johnson - Truss - Dorries would show what we thought of the world, for sure.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,875
Sky Blue Pete said:
Fall in sterling against the dollar due to vote
Increase in costs of importing good from eu
Costs increase and leads to inflation

Was from a senior colleague in my departments transformation senior team. Pretty sure he’s bang on

Why you so quick to jump on it? Brexit is ab absolute shit storm for our nation and it’s economy
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So can you explain why belgium and the Netherlands have higher inflation abs Germany and Italy almost identical to us and if it was true we’d actually have the lowest inflation in the western world?

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/14644614/2-01072022-AP-EN.pdf/72dcf5e4-56cb-5b8c-1a1f-d342666b8657
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,876
Grendel said:
So can you explain why belgium and the Netherlands have higher inflation abs Germany and Italy almost identical to us and if it was true we’d actually have the lowest inflation in the western world?

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/14644614/2-01072022-AP-EN.pdf/72dcf5e4-56cb-5b8c-1a1f-d342666b8657
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Yeah cause 5.5% isn’t related to brexit. No idea what all these inflation relates to
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,877
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yeah cause 5.5% isn’t related to brexit. No idea what all these inflation relates to
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It says on the chart - 40% is energy - so if we are in the eu we’d have half the inflation rate of most major eu member states? Sounds rather silly - show your colleague the chart and ask him to explain
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,878
CCFCSteve said:
From Times article

‘If she wins Truss is expected to promote either Simon Clarke, chief secretary to the Treasury, or Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, to chancellor’

Could be handy !

Also…

‘ Nadine Dorries, the culture secretary, and Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Brexit opportunities minister, who were both key in Truss reaching the final two, are also likely to be given cabinet posts’
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Brexit opportunities minister!
May as well have a minister for fairy dust.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,879
clint van damme said:
Brexit opportunities minister!
May as well have a minister for fairy dust.
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Who's taken over from Mogg at the Df1800s?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,880
Grendel said:
Which happens in every party - if Starmer fails to gain a majority the Burgon wagon will be circling - it probably already is
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true but for some reason when the Conservatives change leader everything that has happened before is forgotten about, the same doesn't happen with Labour. Just look at this thread and how often Corbyn, Miliband or even as far back as Blair are blamed for things.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,881
Grendel said:
Which happens in every party - if Starmer fails to gain a majority the Burgon wagon will be circling - it probably already is
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If only Burnham could be lured from Manchester
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,882
Um…

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,883
Um

Is Brexit to blame for the UK's extra inflation?

Inflation in the UK has reached 9.1 per cent; economists say life outside the EU could make these conditions more difficult to weather.
www.newstatesman.com
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,884

Brexit’s Legacy Is Hotter UK Inflation Risk for Years Ahead

The UK will be stuck with searing inflation for years because of Brexit, according to strategists at Wall Street’s top banks.
www.bloomberg.com

Trade barriers have added a 6% increase in Uk food prices
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,885

Brexit Explains 80% of U.K. Inflation, Former BOE Official Says

Adam Posen, a former Bank of England policy maker, said most of Britain’s inflation problem stems from Brexit and that he’d vote for a half-point interest rate increase to curb an upward surge in prices.
www.bloomberg.com
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,886
Sky Blue Pete said:
Um

Is Brexit to blame for the UK's extra inflation?

Inflation in the UK has reached 9.1 per cent; economists say life outside the EU could make these conditions more difficult to weather.
www.newstatesman.com
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Are you saying if we stayed in the eu our inflation levels would be far lower than any other EU country? Why? It suggests are economic policy within the eu has been vastly superior to every other country? Is that something you agree with?

Germany has 8.1% inflation ours is what 9.2% so you think we’d be at 4.5%? Do you seriously think that’s credible?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,887
Who dares ask how far Brexit is to blame for UK inflation? | The Spectator


On food we really are exposed, because we import half of what we eat, the pound is weak and post-Brexit barriers had already pushed prices upwards.

Post-pandemic labour shortages are international too, but in our case currently so severe – many non-UK-born workers having left, many others not wanting to return to work – that last month, for the first time, the number of vacancies exceeded the number of unemployed. And it doesn’t help that our productivity is perpetually weak.

But no @Grendel you probably know best
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,888
Sky Blue Pete said:

Brexit Explains 80% of U.K. Inflation, Former BOE Official Says

Adam Posen, a former Bank of England policy maker, said most of Britain’s inflation problem stems from Brexit and that he’d vote for a half-point interest rate increase to curb an upward surge in prices.
www.bloomberg.com
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So without Brexit our inflation would now be 2.5%! Incredible when the Eu is running at over 8%
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,889
Grendel said:
Are you saying if we stayed in the eu our inflation levels would be far lower than any other EU country? Why? It suggests are economic policy within the eu has been vastly superior to every other country? Is that something you agree with?

Germany has 8.1% inflation ours is what 9.2% so you think we’d be at 4.5%? Do you seriously think that’s credible?
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Prices rose 6% on our food imports due to trade barriers but as I say I’m sure you know best and the articles are written by remainers who haven’t got over the vote
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,890
Sky Blue Pete said:
Who dares ask how far Brexit is to blame for UK inflation? | The Spectator


On food we really are exposed, because we import half of what we eat, the pound is weak and post-Brexit barriers had already pushed prices upwards.

Post-pandemic labour shortages are international too, but in our case currently so severe – many non-UK-born workers having left, many others not wanting to return to work – that last month, for the first time, the number of vacancies exceeded the number of unemployed. And it doesn’t help that our productivity is perpetually weak.

But no @Grendel you probably know best
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You still can’t explain to me why Germany Netherlands Belgium and Italy have almost identical levels of inflation - rather than post articles explain why
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,891
Grendel said:
So without Brexit our inflation would now be 2.5%! Incredible when the Eu is running at over 8%
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Not what it says
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,892
Sky Blue Pete said:
Prices rose 6% on our food imports due to trade barriers but as I say I’m sure you know best and the articles are written by remainers who haven’t got over the vote
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Energy increase accounts for 40% of inflation
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,893
Grendel said:
You still can’t explain to me why Germany Netherlands Belgium and Italy have almost identical levels of inflation - rather than post articles explain why
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Well one answer is trade barriers have increased the cost of food imports by 6%
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,894
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not what it says
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You say 5.5% of our inflation is down to Brexit!
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,895
Grendel said:
Energy increase accounts for 40% of inflation
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Everyone has that issue and we’ve got lucky until our agreements with Norway run out. It is an undeniable fact that brexit has damaged our economy
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,896
Grendel said:
You say 5.5% of our inflation is down to Brexit!
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I think I said the person suggested 4%
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,897
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think I said the person suggested 4%
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So back to the same discussion - we’d have the lowest inflation in the west

That actually then says our economic policy under conservative rule if we’d stayed in the EU has been the best at controlling inflation in the whole of Europe?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,898
Grendel said:
So back to the same discussion - we’d have the lowest inflation in the west

That actually then says our economic policy under conservative rule if we’d stayed in the EU has been the best at controlling inflation in the whole of Europe?
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you’re so poor (like many of us) at accepting you may have been hasty to dismiss something. The person I’m talking about works on our futures team and is advising government on the impact of these majorchanges like brexit to know the impact ontax takes etc. he knows his stuff
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,899
Sky Blue Pete said:
you’re so poor (like many of us) at accepting you may have been hasty to dismiss something. The person I’m talking about works on our futures team and is advising government on the impact of these majorchanges like brexit to know the impact ontax takes etc. he knows his stuff
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He’s saying over 60% of inflation is due to Brexit even though we are tracking at the same rate broadly as all other countries in Europe - even though our inflation levels have broadly been the same generally as EU countries - 40% is entirely due to
Energy increases so sorry this makes no sense. I think you’ve misunderstood percentage versus percentage points haven’t you?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 21, 2022
  • #18,900
Sky Blue Pete said:
Well one answer is trade barriers have increased the cost of food imports by 6%
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Food is a tiny proportion of the inflation increase - see graph

Consumer Prices, OECD - Updated: 2 June 2022 - OECD

OECD Information for journalists, Inflation in the OECD rises to 9.2% in April 2022 as food and services prices accelerate
www.oecd.org
 
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