So again, the suggestion being that women should be inherently suspicious of a trans women having an untoward motivation for transitioning in the first place?
Their trans status is irrelevant, these women have no issue with “trans men” attending womens sports (subject to doping law), prisons, spaces. It’s men they have a problem with. They see it as yet another “Not all men are like that”/“I’m one of the nice guys”.
Why is being exposed to a stranger’s vagina more OK than someone’s surgically altered genitalia? Or are we arguing this from a heteronormative standpoint where women have no sexual interest in other women?
If I had a daughter I’d be much more worried about widespread casual sexual assault from men, personally.I'm thinking more about the female community, (the ones without a cock and bollocks).
That last remark is flippant, I feel for anyone who feels trapped in the wrong gender body but I still feel the feelings of women in general should be paramount.
If you don't mind me asking, have you got daughters?
Its not just about altered genetalia is it?
Isn’t all of this something which has originated from an American culture war?
I'm thinking more about the female community, (the ones without a cock and bollocks).
That last remark is flippant, I feel for anyone who feels trapped in the wrong gender body but I still feel the feelings of women in general should be paramount.
If you don't mind me asking, have you got daughters?
So again, the suggestion being that women should be inherently suspicious of a trans women having an untoward motivation for transitioning in the first place?
So again, the suggestion being that women should be inherently suspicious of a trans women having an untoward motivation for transitioning in the first place?
Well I’ve been asking for some time what it really is about and not getting a direct answer. I was told it wasn’t about assault yet that seems heavily implored in most of the responses.
I don’t have daughters, no.
If that’s where you’re going with this, then for the record I don’t think being childless, or being concerned for the rights of trans people precludes you from being sympathetic to the rights of women either.
No I’m talking about a woman’s rights not to share an open space with a naked man - I think that’s here basic right - does she have that right whatever her “reason”
So again, the suggestion being that women should be inherently suspicious of a man having an untoward motivation?
If I had a daughter I’d be much more worried about widespread casual sexual assault from men, personally.
She has a right to not use the communal space at all.
She has a right to not use the communal space at all.
Women shouldn't use women's changing Rooms if they don't likeaman being in there? Jesus.
Do you have any reports of men showering next to 14 year old girls in women’s changing rooms?so a naked man in a shower Next to yout daughter even if it upsets her is her fault for showing transphobia - nice
Just interesting that those who are against this in this debate all have daughters and those for it, I think, don't.
It definitely influences a person's perspective in my opinion.
When someone (ahem) whips out the Louis CK routines then you know this thread is in a good place.
Women shouldn't use women's changing Rooms if they don't likeaman being in there? Jesus.
Do you have any reports of men showering next to 14 year old girls in women’s changing rooms?
On that last point, exactly that.Women should be inherently suspicious ofmen full stop, and with good reason.
The problem is, this opens up a loop hole to allow men into women's safe spaces.
Genuinely, have their been reports of incidents happening in the UK in changing rooms?Do you disagree with the bit?
I’ve had multiple girlfriends show me this clip as a way of understanding. Women are afraid of men and rightly so: we’re bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive, more prone to mental illness, more likely to offend, and commit something like 98% of sexual assaults.
That’s why they fought for single sex provision in the first place.
well that says it all
and you and your wife teach children
Genuinely, have their been reports of incidents happening in the UK in changing rooms?
Do you disagree with the bit?
I’ve had multiple girlfriends show me this clip as a way of understanding. Women are afraid of men and rightly so: we’re bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive, more prone to mental illness, more likely to offend, and commit something like 98% of sexual assaults.
That’s why they fought for single sex provision in the first place.
If a person has had full gender reassignment survey, where would you suggest they get changed?Unisex changing rooms put women at danger of sexual assault, data reveals
The vast majority of reported sexual assaults at public swimming pools in the UK take place in unisex changing rooms, new statistics reveal.www.independent.co.uk
I don’t have a daughter but I do have a wife who is genuinely scared walking home on her own or taking certain routes even with company. This really sounds like it’s about concerns over increased risk of assault-so can someone just say that it is?
So it is about assault? Why spend hours claiming that it’s not?
Do you disagree with the bit?
I’ve had multiple girlfriends show me this clip as a way of understanding. Women are afraid of men and rightly so: we’re bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive, more prone to mental illness, more likely to offend, and commit something like 98% of sexual assaults.
That’s why they fought for single sex provision in the first place.
I really don't get why anybody would want to take away that space.It's not just about risk of assault.
A man might access a woman's changing room with no other intention but to get changed.
That doesn't mean a woman may not find that comfortable, she may have previously been assaulted, you give no credence to her feelings and your suggestion is to take away that safe space.
It's not just about risk of assault.
A man might access a woman's changing room with no other intention but to get changed.
That doesn't mean a woman may not find that comfortable, she may have previously been assaulted, you give no credence to her feelings and your suggestion is to take away that safe space.
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