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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 12, 2022
  • #17,921
Penny Mordaunt apparently in trouble for duplicity on trans views. The country is spiralling and this bunch of mentalists are worried about someone’s personal views on trans.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2022
  • #17,922
skybluetony176 said:
Penny Mordaunt apparently in trouble for duplicity on trans views. The country is spiralling and this bunch of mentalists are worried about someone’s personal views on trans.
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It’s all the grifters at GB News/LBC/Talkradio whipping up a frenzy about it. Even the Tory voters referenced above by shmmeee don’t seem to see it as a priority.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 12, 2022
  • #17,923
Ian1779 said:
It’s all the grifters at GB News/LBC/Talkradio whipping up a frenzy about it.
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And the Tory 'Common Sense Group' - can't forget them!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 12, 2022
  • #17,924
shmmeee said:
Interesting polling of Tory Party members. Seemingly far less headbangy than the candidates it seems.

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Interesting that they've picked pretty sensible looking priorities but then vote for a party that either doesn't care about or chooses the wrong way to address them.

And they'd probably say the same about the 'other side'
 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,925
Hilarious, JHB interviewing that pro-EU shouty idiot.
Asked him a question. As soon as he started to answer she shouts Lies, Lies, Lies.
Drowned him out.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,926
skybluetony176 said:
Penny Mordaunt apparently in trouble for duplicity on trans views. The country is spiralling and this bunch of mentalists are worried about someone’s personal views on trans.
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This is more than just mentalists making the point though. This will be Tory dark arts as she’s one of the favourites and certain people hoping it’s a weak spot for her when it comes to support
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,927
SIR ERNIE said:
Hilarious, JHB interviewing that pro-EU shouty idiot.
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Liz Truss?
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,928
SIR ERNIE said:
Hilarious, JHB interviewing that pro-EU shouty idiot.
Asked him a question. As soon as he started to answer she shouts Lies, Lies, Lies.
Drowned him out.
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Did he say it was a success?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,929
CCFCSteve said:
This is more than just mentalists making the point though. This will be Tory dark arts as she’s one of the favourites and certain people hoping it’s a weak spot for her when it comes to support
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So a perception of being ‘woke’ matters more than her going on more about the flag than substance?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,930
CCFCSteve said:
This is more than just mentalists making the point though. This will be Tory dark arts as she’s one of the favourites and certain people hoping it’s a weak spot for her when it comes to support
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You’re probably right, it’s a reflection on the quality of the field.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,931
SIR ERNIE said:
Hilarious, JHB interviewing that pro-EU shouty idiot.
Asked him a question. As soon as he started to answer she shouts Lies, Lies, Lies.
Drowned him out.
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Great interview technique.
She's as dim as they come, surprised you listen to her.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,932
The pressing issues of our time

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,933
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So a perception of being ‘woke’ matters more than her going on more about the flag than substance?
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Crazy I know but that’s politics

It’s not going to be game changer but it might swing a couple of votes here and there, especially against other candidates with similar policies
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,934
CCFCSteve said:
Crazy I know but that’s politics

It’s not going to be game changer but it might swing a couple of votes here and there, especially against other candidates with similar policies
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To be honest most the Tories I know still want Hunt to win as he’s more socially liberal. Though they are half the age of the average voting member
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,935
Brighton Sky Blue said:
To be honest most the Tories I know still want Hunt to win as he’s more socially liberal. Though they are half the age of the average voting member
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Maybe I’m a dinosaur but I can’t see any of them winning bar Rishi or Jezza
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,936
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So a perception of being ‘woke’ matters more than her going on more about the flag than substance?
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I think it’s more the honesty thing that doing her here, she’s lied about her position claiming she was doing the opposite of what she actually was.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,937
Sky Blue Pete said:
Maybe I’m a dinosaur but I can’t see any of them winning bar Rishi or Jezza
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I think Mordaunt is the favourite. Sunak and Hunt have too many enemies and Hunt has failed twice already I think and you don’t tend to win after a couple of goes.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,938
Labour abstained! What shambles

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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,939
Brighton Sky Blue said:
To be honest most the Tories I know still want Hunt to win as he’s more socially liberal. Though they are half the age of the average voting member
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It’s strange how badly Hunt polls both with members and the normal world yet you’re not the first person to mention there’s support for him out there. I always think he comes across as pretty credible when I hear him. Maybe a bit dull but I don’t mind that
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,940
CCFCSteve said:
It’s strange how badly Hunt polls both with members and the normal world yet you’re not the first person to mention there’s support for him out there. I always think he comes across as pretty credible when I hear him. Maybe a bit dull but I don’t mind that
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You'd think dull would be a blessed relief after the past three years!

He's fallen into the 'cut tax just for the hell of it' trap though. Also seems to be pro Rwanda and pushing through protocol bill, neither of which seem particularly his position, so he's either joined the madmen, or he's being disengenuous to get votes.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,941
shmmeee said:
I think Mordaunt is the favourite. Sunak and Hunt have too many enemies and Hunt has failed twice already I think and you don’t tend to win after a couple of goes.
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I don’t agree with her politically but very impressed with her ability to speak in sentences and she’s wound up some of the white men in suits enough for them to be briefing against her for being sensible about trans challenges!

what do you think of her?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,942
CCFCSteve said:
It’s strange how badly Hunt polls both with members and the normal world yet you’re not the first person to mention there’s support for him out there. I always think he comes across as pretty credible when I hear him. Maybe a bit dull but I don’t mind that
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Andy Street has backed him I've just seen. In all it's a pretty bleak field with no obvious statesman or woman
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,943
CCFCSteve said:
It’s strange how badly Hunt polls both with members and the normal world yet you’re not the first person to mention there’s support for him out there. I always think he comes across as pretty credible when I hear him. Maybe a bit dull but I don’t mind that
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He’s at the more sane end of the Tory spectrum.

At the other end:

 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,944
Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t agree with her politically but very impressed with her ability to speak in sentences and she’s wound up some of the white men in suits enough for them to be briefing against her for being sensible about trans challenges!

what do you think of her?
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She’s the closest on a lot of issues, most importantly climate. She’s still a Tory though.

Short term she’s the best choice for the country IMO, long term she’s the worst cos she’d probably beat Labour and continue the destruction of the economy and public services.

I don’t agree with her on the trans issue either, but as she’s got the same position as Labour it might stop us losing a few second wave feminists to the Tories. I’ve seen a lot going on about Badenoch and switching if she wins. But we’re into very online very Twitter stuff at this point and it’s unlikely to have much of an impact electorally. I just personally don’t like the Tories becoming the party of old school feminists.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,945
Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t agree with her politically but very impressed with her ability to speak in sentences and she’s wound up some of the white men in suits enough for them to be briefing against her for being sensible about trans challenges!

what do you think of her?
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Yes, whilst I don't agree with her politics, if she wins it will at least be nice to see a PM speak in actual sentences, not dressed like a tramp and not embarrassing themselves on the world stage.
 
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SIR ERNIE

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,946
Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t agree with her politically but very impressed with her ability to speak in sentences and she’s wound up some of the white men in suits enough for them to be briefing against her for being sensible about trans challenges!

what do you think of her?
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She's clearly the best candidate.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,947
shmmeee said:
He’s at the more sane end of the Tory spectrum.

At the other end:

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Is that the Liz Truss ‘just about to take a shit’ pose
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,948
Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t agree with her politically but very impressed with her ability to speak in sentences and she’s wound up some of the white men in suits enough for them to be briefing against her for being sensible about trans challenges!

what do you think of her?
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I watched the LBC link that was posted yesterday. I thought she came across well. Like with all of them though, a lot will depend on what cabinet she ended up with
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,949
Deleted member 5849 said:
You'd think dull would be a blessed relief after the past three years!

He's fallen into the 'cut tax just for the hell of it' trap though. Also seems to be pro Rwanda and pushing through protocol bill, neither of which seem particularly his position, so he's either joined the madmen, or he's being disengenuous to get votes.
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I think his support for the Rwanda policy is caveated with opening up some safe asylum centres/routes though.

Id happily take dull and competent
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,950
CCFCSteve said:
I watched the LBC link that was posted yesterday. I thought she came across well. Like with all of them though, a lot will depend on what cabinet she ended up with
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I think the fact she’s not really been prominent in Johnson’s cabinet will help her, and hopefully means she’ll be fishing in a different pool. If Truss gets it well keep seeing the likes of Patel and Gove hanging around.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,951
clint van damme said:
Labour abstained! What shambles

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Just can’t see any logic for this decision by Labour - shitheads.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,952
Ian1779 said:
Just can’t see any logic for this decision by Labour - shitheads.
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Best I can see is they’re working on something as they said and this is a bit of game playing by the Lib Dems. But the optics are terrible and let’s be honest it’s not likely to go anywhere. For me if your opponent is doing something like this you call their bluff.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,953
shmmeee said:
Best I can see is they’re working on something as they said and this is a bit of game playing by the Lib Dems. But the optics are terrible and let’s be honest it’s not likely to go anywhere. For me if your opponent is doing something like this you call their bluff.
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Nothing say's, 'calling their bluff' better than abstaining on giving free school meals to the poorest in society in the middle of a huge cost of living crisis.

Well done.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,954
Philosorapter said:
Nothing say's, 'calling their bluff' better than abstaining on giving free school meals to the poorest in society in the middle of a huge cost of living crisis.

Well done.
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Yes, that was my point.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jul 13, 2022
  • #17,955
shmmeee said:
Yes, that was my point.
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I must of misread what you typed because I thought you were blaming party politics for Labour not to vote on this?
 
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