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Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,536
fernandopartridge said:
People with the money to send their kids to private school are exceptionally well off even if they're not to the level of somebody like Johnson

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That's bollocks. Obviously there will be those with shit loads of money, however it's not everybody.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,537
fernandopartridge said:
No it won't

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The finances of more than a few of them are somewhat precarious.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,538
If a school needs state support then it can open itself to everyone and invite state oversight.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,539
Nick said:
That's bollocks.
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It is not bollocks, £13k a year at Bablake/KH for a child >11. That's a lot of disposable income to find.

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 11, 2022
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fernandopartridge said:
It is not bollocks, £13k a year at Bablake/KH for a child >11. That's a lot of disposable income to find.

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Hmmm. Don't think giving up our week's holiday by bus to Benidorm would have saved enough for those fees.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2022
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fernandopartridge said:
It is not bollocks, £13k a year at Bablake/KH for a child >11. That's a lot of disposable income to find.

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As I said, people find it. They go without and make sacrifices.

Not everybody is sat in a mansion with a brand new range rover. Obviously there will be people rocking up with their 22 plate Range Rovers with 5 kids jumping out, they have money.

Not all of them.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,542
Nick said:
As I said, people find it. They go without and make sacrifices.

Not everybody is sat in a mansion with a brand new range rover. Obviously there will be people rocking up with their 22 plate Range Rovers with 5 kids jumping out, they have money.

Not all of them.
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Do you ever talk about any people that aren't just personas you've invented to support your own prejudices? Somebody with 5 kids would need to spend £55k a year to send them all to private school. Must be one hell of a Range Rover.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,543
fernandopartridge said:
Do you ever talk about any people that aren't just personas you've invented to support your own prejudices? Somebody with 5 kids would need to spend £55k a year to send them all to private school. Must be one hell of a Range Rover.
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I haven't invented anything.

That's why I said there are some people sending loads of kids who will obviously be minted. However, not everybody is.

There are a lot of single child families, a lot of them where the parents are a bit older. A lot will be kids of teachers who will obviously get a nice discount too.

As I said, not every family who sends their kids are exceptionally well off. A lot make massive sacrifices to be able to send their kid there.
 

RegTheDonk

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,544
Think I might sign that petition to have Boris back. I can put up with a few porkies to save butchering public services again.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 11, 2022
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By the time the f**kers are all done the retirement age will be elevated to the age of 75.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,546
fernandopartridge said:
People with the money to send their kids to private school are exceptionally well off even if they're not to the level of somebody like Johnson

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Most are average middle class with no other disposable income
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,547
“Just normal middle class families…”

 

Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,548
As I said, for some people it's about what they prioritise and sacrifice.

ie. Live in a 100k house with a very low mortgage and bills compared to a 350k house with a massive mortgage.

There are a lot of people sacrificing. Obviously there are people who are just straight up rich too, doctors, lawyers etc etc.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,549
shmmeee said:
Completely agree. A focus on class sizes of 15-20 max would be the best education policy you could propose but my god the headline figures would be eye watering.
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Class size reduction could make a real difference in state schools.
The other underlying factor is that there is nowhere near enough teachers to go around… never mind being able to differentiate between the good and bad ones.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,550
Nick said:
As I said, for some people it's about what they prioritise and sacrifice.

ie. Live in a 100k house with a very low mortgage and bills compared to a 350k house with a massive mortgage.

There are a lot of people sacrificing. Obviously there are people who are just straight up rich too, doctors, lawyers etc etc.
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Yeah it’s why I think you have to have a plan and structure to these things because people make long term plans based on the current situation and rules
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,551
shmmeee said:
“Just normal middle class families…”

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On page 21 of that same report - I sssume it’s the same and not updated so it’s 6 years ago it says something else in reality doesn’t it?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,552
Grendel said:
On page 21 of that same report - I sssume it’s the same and not updated so it’s 6 years ago it says something else in reality doesn’t it?
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No?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,553
shmmeee said:
No?
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What percentage of disposable income is quoted? Also is it 6-8 years out of date?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,554
Grendel said:
What percentage of disposable income is quoted? Also is it 6-8 years out of date?
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What in the last 6 years do you think has massively changed the demographics of private school parents to such an extent that they are now “mostly” middle class parents scrimping by?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,555
shmmeee said:
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What in the last 6 years do you think has massively changed the demographics of private school parents to such an extent that they are now “mostly” middle class parents scrimping by?
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what percentage of disposable income is shown on page 21 of the report?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,556
Grendel said:
what percentage of disposable income is shown on page 21 of the report?
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Around 15%. If school fees are £15k/yr on average that’s £100k disposable income. Not very middle class.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,557
Nick said:
As I said, for some people it's about what they prioritise and sacrifice.

ie. Live in a 100k house with a very low mortgage and bills compared to a 350k house with a massive mortgage.

There are a lot of people sacrificing. Obviously there are people who are just straight up rich too, doctors, lawyers etc etc.
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it’s a typical headline grab mentioning Eton and failing to mention schools like - well Mr Starmer himself attended

the ex grammar schools that make up a large proportion of these schools comprise largely of people who are not affluent and don’t have pockets of cash but have committed to it. Fees have increased Over years so of course income disposability lessens. Even if 10% of pupils at schools such as those in Coventry can’t afford it those schools will close. Then what? A huge increase in class sizes at non fee paying schools

the irony is eton harrow etc carry on while the ex grammars close. Are the last remaining grammars going as well or is it just private selection of low end private s hooks that will suffer?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 11, 2022
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Grendel said:
it’s a typical headline grab mentioning Eton and failing to mention schools like - well Mr Starmer himself attended
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Are you doing a Trump and keep mentioning this in the hope it sticks, when he entered the school through the state system as it was a state school when he passed his 11+ It's not his fault it changed!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,559
Deleted member 5849 said:
Are you doing a Trump and keep mentioning this in the hope it sticks, when he entered the school through the state system as it was a state school when he passed his 11+ It's not his fault it changed!
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It’s the new Beer Korma. Just needs a snappy name.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,560
shmmeee said:
Around 15%. If school fees are £15k/yr on average that’s £100k disposable income. Not very middle class.
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Average being the word. Was t it over 25% at one point on page 21? Do you think the average parent at bablake has £100,000 disposable income? You really think that.

If that’s an average some will be 30% to 50% - doesn’t it also imply around 1 third of parents use other funds

unfortunately comparing bablake at its demographic to eton is a bit silly isn’t it?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,561
Grendel said:
Average being the word. Was t it over 25% at one point on page 21? Do you think the average parent at bablake has £100,000 disposable income? You really think that.

If that’s an average some will be 30% to 50% - doesn’t it also imply around 1 third of parents use other funds

unfortunately comparing bablake at its demographic to eton is a bit silly isn’t it?
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You said:

Grendel said:
Most are average middle class with no other disposable income
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This is not true according to any available data.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2022
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Are you doing a Trump and keep mentioning this in the hope it sticks, when he entered the school through the state system as it was a state school when he passed his 11+ It's not his fault it changed!
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But if he was in it now it could close if the fee payers couldn’t pay at the school? What’s his plan on grammer? Is selection ok then?
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,563
Grendel said:
it’s a typical headline grab mentioning Eton and failing to mention schools like - well Mr Starmer himself attended
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It doesn't matter how many times you say it, Starmer (or rather his parents) didn't pay fees at his school.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,564
shmmeee said:
You said:



This is not true according to any available data.
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It’s very true in the type of schools I’m referring to and applies to most at the Coventry based schools
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 11, 2022
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I've been thinking what my parents could have cut to get to the £13kpa fee equivalent. They lived in a two bed terrace so couldn't downsize really, holiday really was a week's bus trip, so not sure the £500 pa would dent the £13k... guess my Dad could have given up his company car, but then he travelled 80k a year in it, so not sure the costs of his own would have helped.

And I thought my parents were pretty well off in comparison to most!
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2022
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PVA said:
It doesn't matter how many times you say it, Starmer (or rather his parents) didn't pay fees at his school.
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again irrelevant as I’ve said to nW - if it closed it closed
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 11, 2022
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Deleted member 5849 said:
I've been thinking what my parents could have cut to get to the £13kpa fee equivalent. They lived in a two bed terrace so couldn't downsize really, holiday really was a week's bus trip, so not sure the £500 pa would dent the £13k... guess my Dad could have given up his company car, but then he travelled 80k a year in it, so not sure the costs of his own would have helped.

And I thought my parents were pretty well off in comparison to most!
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I cashef in my endowment and re mortgaged
 

Nick

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  • Jul 11, 2022
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Again, people seem to be thinking Private School = Eton or Harrow with that c**t who looks like him from the Beano strolling about.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,569
Grendel said:
It’s very true in the type of schools I’m referring to and applies to most at the Coventry based schools
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If you discount headed schools and schools in the cup, got ya.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 11, 2022
  • #17,570
Deleted member 5849 said:
I've been thinking what my parents could have cut to get to the £13kpa fee equivalent. They lived in a two bed terrace so couldn't downsize really, holiday really was a week's bus trip, so not sure the £500 pa would dent the £13k... guess my Dad could have given up his company car, but then he travelled 80k a year in it, so not sure the costs of his own would have helped.

And I thought my parents were pretty well off in comparison to most!
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What was their Netflix/avocado budget like?
 
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