Thats why I mentioned they needed to be done in the right way, with a greater focus on getting bright kids from poor backgrounds out of underperforming schools in deprived areas…and at least an element of control over the chief execs !
All we would be doing there is creating a 3 tier education system. We need to move on from deciding children's futures based on an arbitrary test taken at the age of 11.
I don’t thunk you’ll find many Labour supporters who are against increased education funding.
If you’re serious about offering what private students have to all student (or anything close to it) you’re looking at doubling the state education budget though. Personally I’m all for that, I don’t think you get many better returns on investment than education, but good luck selling that to a public still stuck on a kitchen table view of national economics.
On this specific policy, I believe the point is to use the money for covid catchup (which the government have gone very quiet on and as a parent I see no evidence of).
We don’t live in an ideal world though. Based on anecdotal evidence and not looking at league tables I’m guessing most of the better state schools are in catchment areas where poorer parents can’t afford to live ?
Hence me saying earlier if they go through with the policy the cash needs to be funnelled into these deprived areas first and foremost
That's what's needed. Certainly if we wish to get class sizes down from the somewhat absurd level they're now at.
We don’t live in an ideal world though. Based on anecdotal evidence and not looking at league tables I’m guessing most of the better state schools are in catchment areas where poorer parents can’t afford to live ?
Hence me saying earlier if they go through with the policy the cash needs to be funnelled into these deprived areas first and foremost
Any school that gets a rep will be swarmed by the middle classes until the poorer families are pushed out.
It’s not big enough, hence we keep delaying checks at the border, end of next year I think is the latest date for implementing brexit. As the minister for brexit opportunities confirmed, implementing brexit with out enough civil servants in place is an exercise in self harm.We need a larger civil service now after Brexit. Cutting it would be a disaster.
Even in private schools the class size can be as high as 25. Which I think would be a fair enough place to start and would kill a lot of birds with one stone. Better teacher workload, better support for students in lessons, less disruption for classes etc.Completely agree. A focus on class sizes of 15-20 max would be the best education policy you could propose but my god the headline figures would be eye watering.
Even in private schools the class size can be as high as 25. Which I think would be a fair enough place to start and would kill a lot of birds with one stone. Better teacher workload, better support for students in lessons, less disruption for classes etc.
It’s like they’re all actively avoiding using the phrase. Even Truss who seems to be trying to sell herself as the continuity Boris option.Heard Houchen earlier saying he’d not heard one candidate mention levelling up.
Id argue it’s a sliding scale depending on socioeconomic issues. Just an extension of what a lot of school do now with setting where they have 30 in top set and 10 in bottom set.
I had the issue with my daughter's first school, the teachers openly said that because she is bright and polite and wants to learn they wish they could give her more time to help her push on. They literally didn't have the time or resources to help her thrive as they were too busy dealing with kids in nappies and others with no respect for anything.
I had the issue with my daughter's first school, the teachers openly said that because she is bright and polite and wants to learn they wish they could give her more time to help her push on. They literally didn't have the time or resources to help her thrive as they were too busy dealing with kids in nappies and others with no respect for anything.
Then she had to watch kids get rewarded because they didn't piss themself or punch a teacher for a week. Utterly demoralising.
Notbing used to piss me off more as a teacher than when I had to break from helping a student move up to an A or A* (as it was then) to tell some twat to stop being a twat.
So those who can find the money go private
Notbing used to piss me off more as a teacher than when I had to break from helping a student move up to an A or A* (as it was then) to tell some twat to stop being a twat.
There is off course a western country that banned private education almost 50 years ago and very quickly ended up having the best education standards in the world. Not least because the people who could afford to educate their children privately all of a sudden had an interest in seeing state schools achieve. Funny that.I don’t thunk you’ll find many Labour supporters who are against increased education funding.
If you’re serious about offering what private students have to all student (or anything close to it) you’re looking at doubling the state education budget though. Personally I’m all for that, I don’t think you get many better returns on investment than education, but good luck selling that to a public still stuck on a kitchen table view of national economics.
On this specific policy, I believe the point is to use the money for covid catchup (which the government have gone very quiet on and as a parent I see no evidence of).
People have this thing about private where everybody is like a Boris Johnson with millions of pounds.
From my experience, the vast majority aren't. They are just parents scraping by who want the best for their kids after the normal schools failed them.
People have this thing about private where everybody is like a Boris Johnson with millions of pounds.
From my experience, the vast majority aren't. They are just parents scraping by who want the best for their kids after the normal schools failed them.
There’s two issues with private education. One is the elite schools where kids are very much inoculated from the real world and the school serves as a conveyor belt into powerful jobs. A certain rather sociopathic ideology is infused along the way.
The other is good quality kids airlifted out of the state system making the state system worse and a loss chances in life being determined by their parents not anything they did.
The first is despicable, the second is understandable and should be fixed for everyone.
I'm probably not the best person to talk, as I ended up in a grammar school, but my mates who went to the comps were fine... as long as it wasn't Newbold pre-arson attack anywayIm really on the fence about grammars. I think a lot of good kids get ruined by state education in poor areas, but equally I’m not sure about pushing the already poorer areas even further behind (which is unquestionably what selective schools do to those around them).
Sticking with my policy of comprehensive to 13 and selective/specialist 14-19.
At the same time, there are also schools (Princethorpe College!) where the intake was everybody from wealthier familes who failed their 11 plus! It wasn't the state system failing them, it was their kids not being as bright. The issue wasn't, therefore, the parents trying to bump their children up (much as buying your council house, why wouldn't you?) but the unfairness that some kids who were brighter than them didn't have the same chances due to background.They are just parents scraping by who want the best for their kids after the normal schools failed them.
(I also see more and more people coaching for 11 plus, which ends up favouring the richer families too, of course. Am sure there wasn't that kind of thing in my day. Wasn't for me, anyway!)
There are poorer families. How about the ones that used to ask for peoples' apple cores, as it was the only fruit they'd get? It's unfair to lump them in with the examples of others.I get that there are a lot of poorer families
To be fair austerity didn't go away, there was just exceptional spending to support the covid response (and a lot of that was just shovelling cash to Tory mates)Levelling up doesn’t seem to be on anyones agenda either. Zahawi now trying to backtrack saying he was talking about 20% of personnel not budget. Not sure how that’s going to go down in places like Middlesbrough where the biggest employer is the civil service.
All I’m hearing is a return to austerity, because that worked last time.
No it won'tWill probably put a good number of private schools out of business mind you and put more children into a state sector that needs more than a lick of paint.
Totally agree.
Although if my kid is really bright, why should I let her stagnate because there's other kids who have absolutely no interest in learning? Ideally, kick the fuckers out and only have kids there who want to learn (regardless of ability.
Then there's the parents, most of the parents of the kids in her class who were little bellends obviously saw them as angels who did no wrong ever so would be arguing with the teachers.
A lot of the parents of kids in Private Schools I know are really grafting and going without to send them there. This isn't the bellend posh sorts, it is normal people.
I'm probably not the best person to talk, as I ended up in a grammar school, but my mates who went to the comps were fine... as long as it wasn't Newbold pre-arson attack anywayIt ultimately (as ever!) comes down to funding, and if that's in place, *then* we can have a conversation about the best system for state education.
(I also see more and more people coaching for 11 plus, which ends up favouring the richer families too, of course. Am sure there wasn't that kind of thing in my day. Wasn't for me, anyway!)
People with the money to send their kids to private school are exceptionally well off even if they're not to the level of somebody like JohnsonPeople have this thing about private where everybody is like a Boris Johnson with millions of pounds.
From my experience, the vast majority aren't. They are just parents scraping by who want the best for their kids after the normal schools failed them.
There are poorer families. How about the ones that used to ask for peoples' apple cores, as it was the only fruit they'd get? It's unfair to lump them in with the examples of others.
And as for that, we could all have less holidays, but pay more tax towards a state education system after all. In fact, a higher tax rate might force people to have less holidays - guides people towards the 'right' priorities.
If a private school is in a private market, and ends up forced out of business because of this plan, it suggests it wasn't a very good school in the first place, and is probably saving a bunch of people from being ripped off...No it won't
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