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Philosoraptor

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,396
Deleted member 5849 said:
Wasn't Major because the five years were up?
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He had plenty of time left to run.

Let me check.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,397
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Trouble is he's very much someone who thinks everything should be run by private enterprise and given a profit incentive because it leads to better performance. Even though it's never proven to be the case.

So expect even more public stuff being privatised if he got in, and the NHS would be very much at risk, either outright or through more covert outsourcing to private 'partners'.
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Oh he’s super Tory, but at least he’s just evil rather than evil and thick.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,398
Deleted member 5849 said:
Wasn't Major because the five years were up?
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He still had another 3 months on the ticker. Tories usually choose their elections in April, though.

From what I can remember, this is the month when they believe they have the highest percentage of people who will vote for them on the electorate roles compared to people voting for other parties.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,399
Philosorapter said:
He still had another 3 months on the ticker. Tories usually choose their elections in April, though.

From what I can remember, this is the month when they believe they have the highest percentage of people who will vote for them on the electorate roles compared to people voting for other parties.
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Well election was April, 87 was June. It's hardly the killer early election you're aiming for!
 

AOM

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,400
Otis said:
I saw someone on the TV the other day saying "yes, he's a liar and untrustworthy, but I like him. He's a bit of a lad."
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And I'd bet Johnson couldn't give an absolute toss about them
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,401
Deleted member 5849 said:
Well election was April, 87 was June. It's hardly the killer early election you're aiming for!
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Not a lot of people expected Major to win, though. A kind of surprising result all round. You would think you would keep power for as long as possible if you were going to lose it. Perhaps 18 months may be the limit to seek a personal mandate from the people for the Tories new leaders.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,402
Think you can pencil in April/May '24 as the next election date.
 
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JAM See

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,403
Philosorapter said:
Think you can pencil in April '24 as the next election date.
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With a third of the electorate not bothering to turn up.

And a lot of the seats being set in stone anyway.

We need compulsory voting and PR ASAP.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,404
CCFCSteve said:
You taking the photo though Pete ?
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I think it’s Pete in the photo.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,405
Philosorapter said:
Think you can pencil in April/May '24 as the next election date.
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Based on previous comments, I’d have thought Al will be calling for an election as soon as he leaves office.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,406
JAM See said:
With a third of the electorate not bothering to turn up.

And a lot of the seats being set in stone anyway.

We need compulsory voting and PR ASAP.
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People do have the right to vote. I don't agree with compulsory voting, which they do in Australia. It is a choice of any party being acceptable to the voter.

I have always registered to vote, but not always cast a vote for something like 20 years until a flurry of recent referenda.

Just no one to vote for.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,407
Which 'PR' though. Each have their own flavour and problems.
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,408
Philosorapter said:
Which 'PR' though. Each have their own flavour and problems.
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I have never liked PR.

One of the very worst managers we have ever had
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,409
Philosorapter said:
People do have the right to vote. I don't agree with compulsory voting, which they do in Australia. It is a choice of any party being acceptable to the voter.

I have always registered to vote, but not always cast a vote for something like 20 years until a flurry of recent referenda.

Just no one to vote for.
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I do believe in giving those who vote a free sausage though.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,410
Sick Boy said:
I think it’s Pete in the photo.
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It’s definitely Jeremy hunt not me
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,411
Whoops, surely that's him out of the running for leader now. Although with how the Conservatives operate these days wouldn't count on it, you would have thought being investigated by HMRC would stop you being chancellor

Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC

Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister
www.independent.co.uk

Revealed: officials raised ‘flag’ over Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs before he was appointed chancellor

HMRC alert raised as minister faces questions over offshore family trust that held shares worth £20m
www.theguardian.com
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,412
Philosorapter said:
People do have the right to vote. I don't agree with compulsory voting, which they do in Australia. It is a choice of any party being acceptable to the voter.

I have always registered to vote, but not always cast a vote for something like 20 years until a flurry of recent referenda.

Just no one to vote for.
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Compulsory voting would be fine if
a. it was a public holiday
b. 'none of the above' is an option so it gives a better reflection on the strength of the mandate.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,413
Philosorapter said:
Which 'PR' though. Each have their own flavour and problems.
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Keep FPTP for constituency MP's/lower house
Use PR (% of total votes received) for upper house to bring forward legislation/policy
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,414
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Compulsory voting would be fine if
a. it was a public holiday
b. 'none of the above' is an option so it gives a better reflection on the strength of the mandate.
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b is an option already
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,415
Missing Boris already.

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,416
shmmeee said:
I do believe in giving those who vote a free sausage though.
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Pincher's Law
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,417
Deleted member 5849 said:

Sign the Petition

Reinstate Boris Johnson as PM
www.change.org
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Honestly, the comments on there just make me distrust humans, or at least will have me wondering just exactly who I am standing next to at the Lidl checkout in future.



 

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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,418
Philosorapter said:
Missing Boris already.

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Like I said a couple of days ago. All the stories will start coming out now press barons have lost the need for him to be their useful idiot. Rehashed old stories and all the stuff that they have been sitting on. I bet we don’t know the half of it.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,419
skybluetony176 said:
Like I said a couple of days ago. All the stories will start coming out now press barons have lost the need for him to be their useful idiot. Rehashed old stories and all the stuff that they have been sitting on. I bet we don’t know the half of it.
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They may not be real people but if my mum and sister are anything to go by it’s all about owning an opinion and having a right to have one

If it differs and winds up people around you then all the better
 

JAM See

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,420
Otis said:
Honestly, the comments on there just make me distrust humans, or at least will have me wondering just exactly who I am standing next to at the Lidl checkout in future.



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Jesus wept!

Have I been had?

Is this one of those parody accounts?

If so, I plead guilty to being an idiot.

If not....
 
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JAM See

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  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,421
Otis said:
Honestly, the comments on there just make me distrust humans, or at least will have me wondering just exactly who I am standing next to at the Lidl checkout in future.



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I've already replied about the absolute inanity of this, but is there a counter petition?

I don't bother with voting on anything on social media, but it would be interesting to see the stats.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 9, 2022
  • #17,422
Otis said:
Honestly, the comments on there just make me distrust humans, or at least will have me wondering just exactly who I am standing next to at the Lidl checkout in future.



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Has to be one of those strange Russian accounts
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 10, 2022
  • #17,423
Otis said:
Honestly, the comments on there just make me distrust humans, or at least will have me wondering just exactly who I am standing next to at the Lidl checkout in future.



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Carrie and Nadine have been busy
 
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dutchman

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  • Jul 10, 2022
  • #17,424
Deleted member 5849 said:

Sign the Petition

Reinstate Boris Johnson as PM
www.change.org
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He still is PM.

He only resigned as Tory leader not as Prime Minister.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 10, 2022
  • #17,425
Nick said:
Has to be one of those strange Russian accounts
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Are you suggesting there are bot accounts that parrot the same line in order to defend Johnson?

 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 10, 2022
  • #17,426
PVA said:
What if he delivers 12 or 13 million (like the polls currently show)?
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Same as Jeremy Corbyn in 2017 then
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 10, 2022
  • #17,427
Grendel said:
Same as Jeremy Corbyn in 2017 then
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But unlike Jeremy Corbyn in 2017 he'd end up as PM.
 

Otis

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  • Jul 10, 2022
  • #17,428
dutchman said:
He still is PM.

He only resigned as Tory leader not as Prime Minister.
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Yes, exactly.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 10, 2022
  • #17,429
PVA said:
But unlike Jeremy Corbyn in 2017 he'd end up as PM.
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Well he won’t necessarily because Ed Davy will be having to put back those blue Lego bricks back and once again end up losing all those bi elections he gained - poor Ed back to enough MPS to till a phone box twice
 

Otis

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  • Jul 10, 2022
  • #17,430
Grendel said:
Well he won’t necessarily because Ed Davy will be having to put back those blue Lego bricks back and once again end up losing all those bi elections he gained - poor Ed back to enough MPS to till a phone box twice
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You would think that it would be the exact right time for the Lib Dems to make a real challenge wouldn't you. The Tories in disarray, the Labour party with what many consider a weak leader in charge and them still reeling from the Corbyn years.

You would have thought this would be the perfect opportunity. I don't even know what they stand for right now though.
 
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