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Brighton Sky Blue

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So you happen to be a well paid in-demand professional. Well done. Although i'm fairly sure job hopping is not the same as asking for a pay rise......

As I stated above, I'm sure we can all find examples of good & bad in both sectors, but Im just saying that basic salary comparisons are very blunt tool that rarely take in to consideration the added value of pensions, holidays etc.

Sticking with Education then, A basic grade state teacher, for example, may not get paid a great amount, but did their 3 months holidays + 24% employer pension contribution get added into the stats?......probably not.

I believe state teachers are underpaid & deserve more btw.
For reference the Scottish state sector is paid 8% more than the English one is. Largely because there is really only one teaching union up there compared to the even split here
 

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Mick Lynch has dealt with Piers Morgan’s critique of his profile picture and changed it. To one of Piers Morgan partying with Ghislaine Maxwell.

what a guy :ROFLMAO:
 

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Looks like the Tories will lose both by-elections .

Wakefield obviously is expected but Tiverton would be a huge blow to them
 

Grendel

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Looks like the Tories will lose both by-elections .

Wakefield obviously is expected but Tiverton would be a huge blow to them
Why they’ll win in back at the next election - no one could name a single Lib Dem policy - it’s back to normal in a couple of years
 

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Why they’ll win in back at the next election - no one could name a single Lib Dem policy - it’s back to normal in a couple of years
I knew you'd instantly respond to say it's irrelevant. You're nothing if not predictable.

It's not irrelevant, it would be a big deal. It would be a huge swing.
 

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I knew you'd instantly respond to say it's irrelevant. You're nothing if not predictable.

It's not irrelevant, it would be a big deal. It would be a huge swing.
How it it relevant? Theyll lose it again - what’s the most notable huge swing?
 

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I knew you'd instantly respond to say it's irrelevant. You're nothing if not predictable.

It's not irrelevant, it would be a big deal. It would be a huge swing.
It is pretty irrelevant, the Lib Dems are a good Tory protest vote but it's doubtful the electorate in a seat that's been nothing but Tory will vote Lib Dem again in 2024.
 
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It is pretty irrelevant, the Lib Dems are a good Tory protest vote but it's doubtful the electorate in a seat that's been nothing but Tory will vote Lib Dem again in 2024.
Also labour have just surrendered there and invited and encouraged their votes to go to Lib Dems - it’s pathetic from labour they may as well not have stood
 
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And that's just in his time at Facebook
In all seriousness though, there's been a combination of stupidity that's created the conditions for Johnson.

  • Iraq has nobbled Blair's legacy, so nobody listens to him on anything else;
  • Clegg backtracking on his manifesto and going into power with the Tories gave them a free pass the following election;
  • Add to that him not liking Brown so not even entertaining a Lib-Lab coalition at the time;
  • Both Blair and Lib Dems being discredited meant voices against Brexit were diminished, lacked credibility, and couldn't carry people along.

So here we are, when a fair few who voted Lib Dem can't again for the foreseeable, even if some of their policies align with their own beliefs, because the betrayal was enormous. That's given the Tories a free ride in some places, and allowed them to focus on other areas as a result, and take seats from Labour where they normally wouldn't.

Add to the fact that nobody within Labour will now listen to Blair on how to win an election, despite the fact he's the only one to manage it, and you have an opposition divided between the legacy MPs who were around at his time, the newer intake, and the party members - meaning they're doomed to be ineffective as long as they don't all come together in some way, whoever the leader is (be it Corbyn, Starmer, or Donald Duck).
 

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In all seriousness though, there's been a combination of stupidity that's created the conditions for Johnson.

  • Iraq has nobbled Blair's legacy, so nobody listens to him on anything else;
  • Clegg backtracking on his manifesto and going into power with the Tories gave them a free pass the following election;
  • Add to that him not liking Brown so not even entertaining a Lib-Lab coalition at the time;
  • Both Blair and Lib Dems being discredited meant voices against Brexit were diminished, lacked credibility, and couldn't carry people along.

So here we are, when a fair few who voted Lib Dem can't again for the foreseeable, even if some of their policies align with their own beliefs, because the betrayal was enormous. That's given the Tories a free ride in some places, and allowed them to focus on other areas as a result, and take seats from Labour where they normally wouldn't.

Add to the fact that nobody within Labour will now listen to Blair on how to win an election, despite the fact he's the only one to manage it, and you have an opposition divided between the legacy MPs who were around at his time, the newer intake, and the party members - meaning they're doomed to be ineffective as long as they don't all come together in some way, whoever the leader is (be it Corbyn, Starmer, or Donald Duck).
I mean really Blair was a snake whose only interest was Blair

the Lib Dems would sleep with Stalin if they had a seat at the top table. They are a slimy bunch of opportunists with not one ounce of principal
 

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So you happen to be a well paid in-demand professional. Well done. Although i'm fairly sure job hopping is not the same as asking for a pay rise......

As I stated above, I'm sure we can all find examples of good & bad in both sectors, but Im just saying that basic salary comparisons are very blunt tool that rarely take in to consideration the added value of pensions, holidays etc.

Sticking with Education then, A basic grade state teacher, for example, may not get paid a great amount, but did their 3 months holidays + 24% employer pension contribution get added into the stats?......probably not.

I believe state teachers are underpaid & deserve more btw.
By any measure I’m significantly better off. My main point here is if you tell public sector workers they can’t strike and that they won’t be paid market rate, don’t then complain when they all fuck off. Unless you just want music, art and English in the curriculum

Similar problem in healthcare from what I understand with people going agency and costing the NHS loads more.
 

Grendel

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By any measure I’m significantly better off. My main point here is if you tell public sector workers they can’t strike and that they won’t be paid market rate, don’t then complain when they all fuck off. Unless you just want music, art and English in the curriculum

Similar problem in healthcare from what I understand with people going agency and costing the NHS loads more.
Irony meter off the scale here - you cant make it up
 

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QT is really highlighting how low the bar is to be a government minister. Mick Lynch has spent a week making them look foolish in media appearance and the QT audience has him the nearest I’ve seen him to flustered.
 

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QT is really highlighting how low the bar is to be a government minister. Mick Lynch has spent a week making them look foolish in media appearance and the QT audience has him the nearest I’ve seen him to flustered.
how is the audience selected for QT? this lot aren't making Stratford look good that's for sure.
 

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LDs and Labour secure near half the vote in winning the respective by-elections. One brought about by someone watching porn in the Commons, the other by a convicted sex offender.

Elsewhere, Big Dog hints at approving a new coal mine to flip off the climate

 
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that is bad for the tories, really bad
 

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how is the audience selected for QT? this lot aren't making Stratford look good that's for sure.
Did you see last weeks at Newcastle.....they were even worse, came across as a bunch of racists.

I really felt sorry for that ticket officer in the audience. That one bloke in particular, proper gammon was getting very angry and quite keen to make people compulsory redundant.

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Dowden has resigned, I wonder if more will follow.

Also there are rumours that a FPN could be announced for Starmer today. Which would of course be incredibly convenient timing for the Tories and definitely not bent, no siree.
 

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Dowden has resigned, I wonder if more will follow.

Also there are rumours that a FPN could be announced for Starmer today. Which would of course be incredibly convenient timing for the Tories and definitely not bent, no siree.
Don't think it would be convenient. if so he'd quit, and the focus would be back on Johnson for not doing so.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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Dowden resigned
Raab was going to be interviewed but not now
Johnson in Rwanda at a commonwealth conference. Is Rwanda in the commonwealth

Bit of a mess

And the Qt audience were a strange bunch
 
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PVA

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Don't think it would be convenient. if so he'd quit, and the focus would be back on Johnson for not doing so.
But we know that Johnson already has no credibility. He also has no morals. He wouldn't care how Starmer resigning would make him look, he'd just carry on as normal.