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Grendel · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
Can you point out where I've said strikes are wrong?

well Starmer by proxy believes they are as the man he leads the Labour Party has no convictions regarding the working man

Even I admire people who believe in what they represent - he doesn’t - and if he hadn’t indulged in Sinn Fein suck up nonsense I’d have liked him even more. As a shadow chancellor compared to Norman Lamont in drag at least he had some drive and ideals

Who did you really dislike but now like?

In keeping with the other threads -and like may be a bit strong. However, politics in seems has for many years been a grey world with politicians wearing a party badge but all essentially droning out the same weak liberal messages. Really since conviction politicians like thatcher, foot and...

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Ian1779 · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
I know you'd much rather a Labour leader that says all the right things but never gets in power, but the rest of us would quite like to have a Labour government.

I mean this is patently horse shit… Starmer and his advisers thinks he’s playing some kind of 4D chess..

clint van damme · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
Enjoy your Tory government mate.

I'll ask again, why did Starmer make pledge 7 of his 10 pledges if he had no intention of honouring it?

Grendel · Jun 20, 2022

clint van damme said:
I'll ask again, why did Starmer make pledge 7 of his 10 pledges if he had no intention of honouring it?

He’s not falling into a Tory trap so has to be a Tory and not a man who believes in the Labour movement - vote winner

clint van damme · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
No I haven't.

And I fully support these strikes.

But getting Labour to publicly support them is such a blatant Tory trap.

If he's worried about getting caught in a trap set by Grant Shapps then I would suggest he's not up to the job, the man's a fucking idiot.

Ian1779 · Jun 20, 2022

clint van damme said:
If he's worried about getting caught in a trap set by Grant Shapps then I would suggest he's not up to the job, the man's a fucking idiot.

It appears the most incompetent government in living memory are simultaneously the greatest trap setters of all time…

PVA · Jun 20, 2022

clint van damme said:
I'll ask again, why did Starmer make pledge 7 of his 10 pledges if he had no intention of honouring it?

I don't know.

Let's compare his list of broken pledges to a list of Johnson's broken pledges.

PVA · Jun 20, 2022

Ian1779 said:
It appears the most incompetent government in living memory are simultaneously the greatest trap setters of all time…

Errr no. Its a fucking obvious trap. Hence why he's not taking it.

Nobody said it was a good trap.

Grendel · Jun 20, 2022

clint van damme said:
I'll ask again, why did Starmer make pledge 7 of his 10 pledges if he had no intention of honouring it?

he has no idea what you mean - he has no principals in politics it’s Labour good Tory bad just have no ideals and tick a box

Grendel · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
I don't know.

Let's compare his list of broken pledges to a list of Johnson's broken pledges.

classic

clint van damme · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
I don't know.

Let's compare his list of broken pledges to a list of Johnson's broken pledges.

Well he's pretty much broke all 10 of the pledges he made but his electioneering slogan is going to be 'I'm a liar, but not a big a liar as Johnson'.

Some vote winner that.

PVA · Jun 20, 2022

Anyway I'm bored of this.

This is exactly why the Tories have been in power for so long. Labour voters too bothered with in fighting to do anything about the cunts in power.

PVA · Jun 20, 2022

clint van damme said:
Well he's pretty much broke all 10 of the pledges he made but his electioneering slogan is going to be 'I'm a liar, but not a big a liar as Johnson'.

Some vote winner that.

And yet if an election were held tomorrow he'd be PM.

fernandopartridge · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
Anyway I'm bored of this.

This is exactly why the Tories have been in power for so long. Labour voters too bothered with in fighting to do anything about the cunts in power.

Labour voters interested in supporting organised labour shock

Ian1779 · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
Errr no. Its a fucking obvious trap. Hence why he's not taking it.

Nobody said it was a good trap.

The only thing that’s obvious is that he’s got no fucking conviction.

Ian1779 · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
And yet if an election were held tomorrow he'd be PM.

Again…. More bollocks.

clint van damme · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
Anyway I'm bored of this.

This is exactly why the Tories have been in power for so long. Labour voters too bothered with in fighting to do anything about the cunts in power.

You're not getting it. What is the point in voting in someone who is the thickness of a rizal away from being a tory?

He became leader based on ideals that I could really get behind and he's reneged on them all.

Why would I vote for someone like that? It would basically be a vote for the status Quo.

Ian1779 · Jun 20, 2022

PVA said:
Anyway I'm bored of this.

This is exactly why the Tories have been in power for so long. Labour voters too bothered with in fighting to do anything about the cunts in power.

Nothing quite says taking the fight to power by falling in behind said power…

clint van damme · Jun 20, 2022

Ian1779 said:
Nothing quite says taking the fight to power by falling in behind said power…

If an opinion poll came out tomorrow saying 85 percent of the public support rail workers he'd be on the picket line stood by a brazier wearing a donkey jacket.

David O'Day · Jun 20, 2022

Ian1779 said:
Nothing quite says taking the fight to power by falling in behind said power…

and this is nothing like "falling in behind said power"

All they have said is don't pictured at a picket as that will be on the front of the Sun etc and used to justified why they are "Labour's strikes"

The Labour party people seem to want on here is never going to win an election

David O'Day · Jun 20, 2022

clint van damme said:
If an opinion poll came out tomorrow saying 85 percent of the public support rail workers he'd be on the picket line stood by a brazier wearing a donkey jacket.

But it's likely to be the other way around so why fall into the trap.

Grendel · Jun 20, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
Labour voters interested in supporting organised labour shock

he really is a

clint van damme · Jun 20, 2022

David O'Day said:
and this is nothing like "falling in behind said power"

All they have said is don't pictured at a picket as that will be on the front of the Sun etc and used to justified why they are "Labour's strikes"

The Labour party people seem to want on here is never going to win an election

Starmer became leader by promising the type of Labour Party people on here want.
I'm not naive enough to think he doesn't have to play the game with the right wing press and make compromises on policy but he really does appear to be all over the shop with no conviction or principle.

clint van damme · Jun 20, 2022

David O'Day said:
But it's likely to be the other way around so why fall into the trap.

Because its the right thing to do, it's the right thing for te leader of the opposition to do and its what he said he would do.

Ian1779 · Jun 20, 2022

David O'Day said:
and this is nothing like "falling in behind said power"

All they have said is don't pictured at a picket as that will be on the front of the Sun etc and used to justified why they are "Labour's strikes"

The Labour party people seem to want on here is never going to win an election

The Labour Party on its current trajectory under him is never going to win one either. No vision or ideas for the future - that appeals to liberal commentators and the FBPE crowd and that’s about it.

Grendel · Jun 20, 2022

clint van damme said:
If an opinion poll came out tomorrow saying 85 percent of the public support rail workers he'd be on the picket line stood by a brazier wearing a donkey jacket.

That would be a sight - he’d think he would get an STD just by standing near “working man”

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 20, 2022

A lot of thoughts on this.

1. The nonsense of ‘it’s all about avoiding traps’ isn’t new. Andy Burnham literally said ‘Osborne is trying to trick me into saying what I think’ back in 2015. When you don’t comment either way all people see is one party saying what it thinks with the other half dodging questions.

2. Unions were a voice for working people before Labour came into being and turned into their political arm. Now with a leader who seems ashamed of this association, why exactly is it even still called the Labour Party? There is serious talk among the heavyweight unions of just pulling their funding completely-and if Mr Starmer has thought through that and is ok with it, he should call their bluff.

3. If the Tories really are ‘setting traps’, why is Labour just letting them do that without setting any of their own? For example propose a VAT cut and make the government argue why they shouldn’t give people tax relief. At least make some active attempt to control the narrative.

4. Anyone who hasn’t should really watch Mick Lynch speak about these strikes. Far from what goons like Grant Shapps have to say he comes across as perfectly reasonable and lays out the reasons for striking articulately. That and he speaks not for himself but 40,000 ordinary people by whom the decision to strike has to be taken for it to be legitimate.

Deleted member 9744 · Jun 20, 2022

Ian1779 said:
It appears the most incompetent government in living memory are simultaneously the greatest trap setters of all time…

They are incompetent at running the country partly because their energies are all concentrated on this sort of nonsense. And of course they have the press on their side who will find any excuse to criticise any opposition.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 20, 2022

Look at all the comments on this from a Sky News segment-Smarmer could learn something.

Deleted member 9744 · Jun 20, 2022

clint van damme said:
You're not getting it. What is the point in voting in someone who is the thickness of a rizal away from being a tory?

He became leader based on ideals that I could really get behind and he's reneged on them all.

Why would I vote for someone like that? It would basically be a vote for the status Quo.

It really wouldn't. This is an extremely right wing and incompetent Tory Government. That is why I would vote for any opposition party that had a chance of winning and was not more right wing to get them out of power.

Grendel · Jun 20, 2022

Deleted member 9744 said:
It really wouldn't. This is an extremely right wing and incompetent Tory Government. That is why I would vote for any opposition party that had a chance of winning and was not more right wing to get them out of power.

Johnson is about as right wing as Ryan Haynes - he’s not even a Tory

Deleted member 9744 · Jun 20, 2022

Grendel said:
Johnson is about as right wing as Ryan Haynes - he’s not even a Tory

He's in charge of an extremely right wing Government regardless of his personal opinions.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 20, 2022

clint van damme said:
You're not getting it. What is the point in voting in someone who is the thickness of a rizal away from being a tory?

He became leader based on ideals that I could really get behind and he's reneged on them all.

Why would I vote for someone like that? It would basically be a vote for the status Quo.

The point is because they're not a Tory. He might not be ideal, but isn't he still better than the actual Tory alternative?

There are other options of course, and if you feel they offer more of what you stand for vote for them. I liked a lot of Green and Lib Dem policy more than labour last time. But it's now got to such a bad state of affairs that I would vote tactically for Labour purely because it has to be better than this shit. And that's what matters now - it's whether you're willing to be totally true to your beleifs when pragmatically the outcome of doing that is going to be ending up with a Tory govt again.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 20, 2022

clint van damme said:
So why did Starmer make pledge No 7 of his 10 pledges if he had no intention of implementing a word of it?

Replace with Boris and NI protocol/Brexit.

Seems like Starmer is being held to much higher standards than the actual PM. Or is that how you do it nowadays? Be charasmatic but untrustworthy and get a free ride?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 20, 2022

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Something big must be ready to come out as Johnson has had a minor op.

For the love of God please let it be a vasectomy!

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