No labour leader can win. They are held to different standards and have to be whiter than white.Being too cowardly to say what he thinks isn’t an appealing trait. There’s a fresh narrative there of ‘see he can’t even make his mind up’.
You wouldn’t think the sitting PM is a criminal who had just had 150 of his own MPs want him out. Smarmer has let him off the hook again and again and again and this episode is the latest example.
‘A haircut with no spine’
Being too cowardly to say what he thinks isn’t an appealing trait. There’s a fresh narrative there of ‘see he can’t even make his mind up’.
You wouldn’t think the sitting PM is a criminal who had just had 150 of his own MPs want him out. Smarmer has let him off the hook again and again and again and this episode is the latest example.
‘A haircut with no spine’
It's not even a fresh narrative, it's been used against him before. I understand the point made by DO'D and Andy but surely at some point a politician, particularly the leader of opposition has to have the courage of his convictions?
It's not even a fresh narrative, it's been used against him before. I understand the point made by DO'D and Andy but surely at some point a politician, particularly the leader of opposition has to have the courage of his convictions?
No labour leader can win. They are held to different standards and have to be whiter than white.
Corbyn was too left wing
Starmer is too clever and posh
Yvette cooper patronising
Lisa Nandy to northern
Rachel reeves too competent
Boris can do what he likes
Priti can do what she likes
Grant shapps too
Not sure there’s even an answer
He’s paralysed and it’s not always his faultAll that’s being asked of Smarmer here is to say what he thinks
It’s no wonder he moved into politics, he must have been the most inept lawyer in history. He makes Lionel Hutz look competent.Raab, the Justice Minister, not grasping what the ECHR is, and the British courts as soon as the ruling came through from the ECtHR against the Government imposed most of the injunctions.
He don’t help himself though Pete. Just pick a principal and sell it.He’s paralysed and it’s not always his fault
We’re a country of nasty cunts. It’s the only possible explanation.
Agree. I understand why Labour have remained fairly silent on issues up to now preferring instead to let the Government fall apart through its own incompetence. With a predominately right wing press whatever Labour say is liable to be skewed against them in the culture wars.I don’t disagree. Yesterday in PMQs the Prime Minister accused Labour of “being on the side of people traffickers”. That’s where they want to take this. My own personal opinion, you’ve got to come out swinging when shit like that is said. Same as when Patel said they’re on the side of rapists and paedophiles (I think) a couple of weeks ago. They’ve got a bit of mental chess going on where they think it’s best not to respond but that seems to embolden the Tories to keep pushing more on them.
Too nuanced for our nation thatI think that’s a bit OTT. The polling doesn’t explain why people might think one way or another. It could be misinformation/misunderstanding, it could be genuine belief that this might stop people traffickers (I personally doubt it), it could be that they haven’t seen anything else work so might think it’s worth a try…or maybe they’re just racist. Who knows.
You could flip it and say people against the policy are supporting people traffickers (which is the game the Tories are playing) and happy for kids to die in the channel. Both ridiculous assumptions.
We appear to continue down the road in this country of seeing everything in black or white and of thinking the worst of others especially when they have different views, whipped up by social media and commentators, when in a majority of situations it’s a lot more nuanced than that. That’s not directed at you Tony, thats just seems to be the way these days, however, I had to respond to the ‘country of nasty cunts’…as I just don’t see it that way
Bloody bell endRaab, the Justice Minister, not grasping what the ECHR is, and the British courts as soon as the ruling came through from the ECtHR against the Government imposed most of the injunctions.
He just talks bolloxRaab, the Justice Minister, not grasping what the ECHR is, and the British courts as soon as the ruling came through from the ECtHR against the Government imposed most of the injunctions.
It's not even a fresh narrative, it's been used against him before. I understand the point made by DO'D and Andy but surely at some point a politician, particularly the leader of opposition has to have the courage of his convictions?
He’s not paralysed… other than the fact he appears to have no spine.He’s paralysed and it’s not always his fault
Agree on that, but makes him look evasive or indecisive. Can't he just say I agree with it ... or I don't agree with it and here's my solution to the problem?Trying to create a narrative. It goes back to what D’OD said earlier, all they’re looking to do with all of this is start culture wars. It’s why Starmer’s spokesperson didn’t comment on the Rwanda situation - he says he’s against it and it’ll be spun into “they’re the party that want uncontrolled immigration”. It’s a really difficult balance as of course you want him to slam the policy but it then hands the opportunity to the Tories to create the narrative.
Well the solution to asylum seekers is to stop murder, torture and oppression the world over, which is probably beyond the Leader of the OppositionAgree on that, but makes him look evasive or indecisive. Can't he just say I agree with it ... or I don't agree with it and here's my solution to the problem?
My mistake. It’s over a plan to deliberate break WTO rules with regards to steel production. So we’ve left the EU and EFTA, they’re stirring the pot on leaving the ECHR and therefore the Council of Europe taking a huge steaming dump on the legacy of Churchill in the process. My “paranoia” apparently led me to believe that the direction of travel is to leave other organisations such as NATO and the UN because they expect a minimum standard from their members. Didn’t even consider the WTO. Clearly the WTO is an attack on our sovereignty, wouldn’t it be great to be like North Korea.So Geidt resigned not over partygate but over a plan to break the ministerial code deliberately over a trade dispute (obviously the NI protocol). He said in his resignation letter it would make a mockery of the rules and he can have no part of it.
Fucking hell. They’re making the dresses up dossier that took us to war in Iraq look honest. Although this time they’re intent on shitting on our doorstep not one in the Middle East. This should worry everyone regardless of political colours.
Yeah, I guess that's something the current government can't do either.Well the solution to asylum seekers is to stop murder, torture and oppression the world over, which is probably beyond the Leader of the Opposition
Not sure this current government can do anything right at the moment to be honest.Yeah, I guess that's something the current government can't do either.
Hence why they shouldn't be sending them to RwandaYeah, I guess that's something the current government can't do either.
Do you have a life beyond this ?is it
Quite a few are on here.We’re a country of nasty cunts. It’s the only possible explanation.
Whats Harold Shipman done to warrant being compared to a tory, a bit harsh.
Wes Streeting is very good. That opening line is great.
Fucking state of Javid blaming the shadow health minister for vulnerable patients missing appointments.
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