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stay_up_skyblues · Jun 11, 2022

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Surely that’s like somebody claiming a refund on their fuel to drive to work.

No it’s predominantly for travel to/from site investigations, although we do claim to/from office if we are officially home workers, albeit we only go in for meetings rather than desk work. I have been for 10+ years though.

We’ve traditionally had fuel cards and had personal miles deducted from salary. But we now have plug in hybrids and it switched to paying our own fuel costs but claiming back the business miles. It’s to do with them being unable to reimburse electric miles via the fuel card scheme.

stay_up_skyblues · Jun 11, 2022

The tax relief on heat/electric/Wi-Fi for home work is about £300 a year iirc. That’s the standard rate anyway. I think you can seek more but have to prove the business cost.

Terry Gibson's perm · Jun 11, 2022

stay_up_skyblues said:
No it’s predominantly for travel to/from site investigations, although we do claim to/from office if we are officially home workers, albeit we only go in for meetings rather than desk work. I have been for 10+ years though.

We’ve traditionally had fuel cards and had personal miles deducted from salary. But we now have plug in hybrids and it switched to paying our own fuel costs but claiming back the business miles. It’s to do with them being unable to reimburse electric miles via the fuel card scheme.

Our mileage rate at work is awful 46p per mile for the first 100 miles per day and 13p after that, hasn’t changed in 4 years.

stay_up_skyblues · Jun 11, 2022

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Our mileage rate at work is awful 46p per mile for the first 100 miles per day and 13p after that, hasn’t changed in 4 years.

Yeah that sounds like the HMRC rate if you’re using your own vehicle. It’s 17p a mile in a 2 litre petrol company car atm. Haven’t done the maths but I’ve no doubt it doesn’t cover it at £1.85 a litre. I just make sure the battery is fully charged before I leave the drive everyday to make sure the first 30 miles I do are in electric!

fernandopartridge · Jun 11, 2022

stay_up_skyblues said:
Yeah that sounds like the HMRC rate if you’re using your own vehicle. It’s 17p a mile in a 2 litre petrol company car atm. Haven’t done the maths but I’ve no doubt it doesn’t cover it at £1.85 a litre. I just make sure the battery is fully charged before I leave the drive everyday to make sure the first 30 miles I do are in electric!

The HMRC rates are ridiculously low, it was around 40p per mile 20 years ago

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 11, 2022

The Criminal Clown leads Sneer Smarmer in 'who would make best PM'. Nice one.

Poll says Keir Starmer worse choice for PM than Boris Johnson (msn.com)

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 11, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The Criminal Clown leads Sneer Smarmer in 'who would make best PM'. Nice one.

Poll says Keir Starmer worse choice for PM than Boris Johnson (msn.com)

Every competent person should pack up and allow the showmen to take over the world. We should all give up ffs

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 12, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
Every competent person should pack up and allow the showmen to take over the world. We should all give up ffs

Neck and neck in the polls with all that’s been going on-imagine what it’ll be like once the scandals have blown over and the Tories are back in campaign mode. 5 more years

Otis · Jun 12, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Neck and neck in the polls with all that’s been going on-imagine what it’ll be like once the scandals have blown over and the Tories are back in campaign mode. 5 more years

Yes, but I would say one thing and that is that there are an awful lot of women saying they simply will not vote for Labour because of their policy on recognising women re the trans issue.

My missus says that just one thread on Mumsnet has over 3,000 women protesting and really angry with Labour, saying they will not vote for them. It's a massive, massive issue.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jun 12, 2022

Otis said:
Yes, but I would say one thing and that is that there are an awful lot of women saying they simply will not vote for Labour because of their policy on recognising women re the trans issue.

My missus says that just one thread on Mumsnet has over 3,000 women protesting and really angry with Labour, saying they will not vote for them. It's a massive, massive issue.

Is that issue men becoming women or women becoming men . I'm never sure . What are women not happy about or is that trans women ?

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jun 12, 2022

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Neck and neck in the polls with all that’s been going on-imagine what it’ll be like once the scandals have blown over and the Tories are back in campaign mode. 5 more years

I think the problem is that Starmer doesn't seem to have much in the way of charisma. They need someone who can stand up in the house of commons and speak without reading from notes , can engage in the streets with people in a warm and genuine manner . I always thought Neil Kinnock was a natural speaker and had the ability to articulate and engage in a way people could relate to . Trouble was he was surrounded by lunatics. If they had someone like Kinnock in charge now, not in terms of policy but personality, they'd be miles ahead. It's about trust as much as anything else given what politicians have been up to in the last two years.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 12, 2022

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I think the problem is that Starmer doesn't seem to have much in the way of charisma. They need someone who can stand up in the house of commons and speak without reading from notes , can engage in the streets with people in a warm and genuine manner . I always thought Neil Kinnock was a natural speaker and had the ability to articulate and engage in a way people could relate to . If they had someone like that in charge now they'd be miles ahead.

Pretty much yes. It all seems, pun intended, very laboured when he interacts with anyone outside Parliament and not much better when in it either. If Andy Burnham could be lured away from Manchester I’d be interested to see the results but I doubt he wants the hassle.

The whole problem is like Biden vs Trump, Starmer runs on who he isn’t rather than who he is. Then laughing at sections of his core vote on top.

Grendel · Jun 12, 2022

Does Rachel Reeves ever answer a single question

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 12, 2022

Got a lot in common at the moment

Terry_dactyl · Jun 12, 2022

Grendel said:
That’s what happens when an inept tosser like Drakesford is in charge - he makes Sturgeon look competent

He seems to be very popular in wales. I think he’s seen as being competent and an antidote to the clown PM.
I thought it was interesting that before Brexit was implemented he was saying that the SNP weren’t delivering on day-to-day running of Scotland. He said that if Brexit meant the break up of the uk, it would be Northern Ireland that would go first…

Grendel · Jun 12, 2022

Terry_dactyl said:
He seems to be very popular in wales. I think he’s seen as being competent and an antidote to the clown PM.
I thought it was interesting that before Brexit was implemented he was saying that the SNP weren’t delivering on day-to-day running of Scotland. He said that if Brexit meant the break up of the uk, it would be Northern Ireland that would go first…

He’s dreadful being popular in wales is hardly difficult

Terry_dactyl · Jun 12, 2022

Grendel said:
He’s dreadful being popular in wales is hardly difficult

The conservatives can’t manage it…

Otis · Jun 12, 2022

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Is that issue men becoming women or women becoming men . I'm never sure . What are women not happy about or is that trans women ?

Women having the problem of a man saying they now identify as a woman and therefore being able to access women's toilets and women's changing rooms etc. And women losing their identity as women.

It's a very hot topic and I believe the Tories are the only party that have come out in favour of women on this issue.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jun 12, 2022

Yep....boris at least stated that trans women should not compete in woman's sports....which is correct.

I think starmer is too concerned that he'll break the woke code so he won't even agree with statements of basic scientific facts regarding trans issues....

....ironic he's such a pussy on the issue really

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jun 12, 2022

Otis said:
Women having the problem of a man saying they now identify as a woman and therefore being able to access women's toilets and women's changing rooms etc. And women losing their identity as women.

It's a very hot topic and I believe the Tories are the only party that have come out in favour of women on this issue.

In favour of real women ?

Grendel · Jun 12, 2022

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
In favour of real women ?

Stella Creasy: ‘JK Rowling is wrong – a woman can have a penis’

‘Sometimes you have to break cover and be controversial,’ says the MP for Walthamstow and passionate campaigner for women and mothers

www.telegraph.co.uk

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jun 12, 2022

Grendel said:
Stella Creasy: ‘JK Rowling is wrong – a woman can have a penis’

‘Sometimes you have to break cover and be controversial,’ says the MP for Walthamstow and passionate campaigner for women and mothers

www.telegraph.co.uk

....Jesus Christ. . What a knob.

Otis · Jun 12, 2022

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
In favour of real women ?

Who isn't?

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jun 12, 2022

Otis said:
Who isn't?

I'm not in favour of women with a penis, that's all. Not for sex anyway.

Grendel · Jun 12, 2022

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
....Jesus Christ. . What a knob.

Keir Starmer says 'vast majority' of women 'don't have a penis' and need safe spaces

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 12, 2022

Otis said:
Yes, but I would say one thing and that is that there are an awful lot of women saying they simply will not vote for Labour because of their policy on recognising women re the trans issue.

My missus says that just one thread on Mumsnet has over 3,000 women protesting and really angry with Labour, saying they will not vote for them. It's a massive, massive issue.

That’s mad

Ian1779 · Jun 12, 2022

Otis said:
Women having the problem of a man saying they now identify as a woman and therefore being able to access women's toilets and women's changing rooms etc. And women losing their identity as women.

It's a very hot topic and I believe the Tories are the only party that have come out in favour of women on this issue.

There are lot of rules and restrictions in place to protect people… you can’t simply say ‘I’m a lady’ and then start wandering around female spaces unchecked.
That doesn’t help people that feel concerned I know - but then it’s mercilessly whipped up by a media that loves to prey on peoples fears…

Otis · Jun 12, 2022

Ian1779 said:
There are lot of rules and restrictions in place to protect people… you can’t simply say ‘I’m a lady’ and then start wandering around female spaces unchecked.
That doesn’t help people that feel concerned I know - but then it’s mercilessly whipped up by a media that loves to prey on peoples fears…

That is true, but then, on the flip side of the coin, some female MP's are getting death threats for speaking out about their concerns for the protection of women .

"Canterbury MP Rosie Duffield has been both criticised and heralded for her views on trans rights.

Ms Duffield came under fire for her opposition to "male-bodied biological men" being allowed to self-identify as female in order to access women-only spaces such as prisons and domestic violence refuges.

She opted not to attend the Labour Party conference in September after receiving threats and being branded transphobic, which she denies."

Seems that for many, even speaking of concerns results in them being labelled as transphobic.

Ian1779 · Jun 12, 2022

Otis said:
That is true, but then, on the flip side of the coin, some female MP's are getting death threats for speaking out about their concerns for the protection of women .

"Canterbury MP Rosie Duffield has been both criticised and heralded for her views on trans rights.

Ms Duffield came under fire for her opposition to "male-bodied biological men" being allowed to self-identify as female in order to access women-only spaces such as prisons and domestic violence refuges.

She opted not to attend the Labour Party conference in September after receiving threats and being branded transphobic, which she denies."

Seems that for many, even speaking of concerns results in them being labelled as transphobic.

People have the right to be safe at all times - this should supersede everything else in the first instance.

David O'Day · Jun 12, 2022

Otis said:
Yes, but I would say one thing and that is that there are an awful lot of women saying they simply will not vote for Labour because of their policy on recognising women re the trans issue.

My missus says that just one thread on Mumsnet has over 3,000 women protesting and really angry with Labour, saying they will not vote for them. It's a massive, massive issue.

There's not an awful lot of them, they like a sock account and the people on that thread are likely it.

There's a vocal handful on twitter as well who are all thick as mince

Otis · Jun 12, 2022

David O'Day said:
There's not an awful lot of them, they like a sock account and the people on that thread are likely it.

There's a vocal handful on twitter as well who are all thick as mince

Are you allowed to say "mince" anymore?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 12, 2022

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Surely that’s like somebody claiming a refund on their fuel to drive to work.

It's swings and roundabouts isn't it. WFH pay a bit more in electric etc, those travelling to work pay a fortune in fuel/travel costs. Plus travelling to work takes time.

So if WFH get a contribution to their electric bills, those going to a workplace should be paid the travel costs and time spent doing so.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 12, 2022

Grendel said:
Does Rachel Reeves ever answer a single question

I think that's hardly something that's a rarity in political circles. Johnson spent the whole election campaign answering every single question with the same three words.

Grendel · Jun 12, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think that's hardly something that's a rarity in political circles. Johnson spent the whole election campaign answering every single question with the same three words.

She is worse - she’s ridiculous

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 12, 2022

PVA said:
Patel is just vile. Such a vindictive, hateful woman.

Careful! Grendel will accuse you of being a racist.

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