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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,806
Grendel said:
Sunak will be shuffled to minister for very little probably
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Reckon he’d just walk if that was the case. He doesn’t need all this. He’s been inadvertently tarnished by Johnson so can’t imagine he’d accept being sidelined

If Johnson wanted to be serious about changing and challenging at the next election he’d get the best team around him. As someone alluded to yesterday though, is anyone decent willing to join his cabinet now ? And that’s if he’s willing to change, which is hugely questionable
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,807
CCFCSteve said:
Reckon he’d just walk if that was the case. He doesn’t need all this. He’s been inadvertently tarnished by Johnson so can’t imagine he’d accept being sidelined

If Johnson wanted to be serious about changing and challenging at the next election he’d get the best team around him. As someone alluded to yesterday though, is anyone decent willing to join his cabinet now ? And that’s if he’s willing to change, which is hugely questionable
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Ellwood this morning said his expectation is there will be significant cabinet changes - he didn’t quite say “or else” but the threat is clear

Sunak is tarnished as much by his wealth as anything - it’s not a good look and his polling amongst members is on the floor
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,808
Grendel said:
It will purely depend on what happens in the next 12 months and what the polls then are like

The by elections will create more noise and then after that it will settle down but purely depends on future polling in the next year
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They will but will also soon be forgotten. He is only going to leave if his party forces him out and simply put they won’t. As for his opposite number I just have no faith he can drive much enthusiasm beyond the centrist fan club
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,809
IMHO they jumped the gun with the timing of the confidence vote. There are two by-elections in just two weeks' time, in which the Tories are pretty much guaranteed to lose their large majorities. THAT would be the time to decide if you had confidence in him, and i think he would have lost because they would all see their noses being pushed out of the trough. But they can't do anything of their own making for another year.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,810
Grendel said:
Ellwood this morning said his expectation is there will be significant cabinet changes - he didn’t quite say “or else” but the threat is clear

Sunak is tarnished as much by his wealth as anything - it’s not a good look and his polling amongst members is on the floor
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Agree with the logic regarding Sunaks current internal polling/popularity, however, I just can’t see him accepting it

Johnson definitely needs to sort his cabinet out but Sunak is the least of his problems in that respect
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,811
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
IMHO they jumped the gun with the timing of the confidence vote. There are two by-elections in just two weeks' time, in which the Tories are pretty much guaranteed to lose their large majorities. THAT would be the time to decide if you had confidence in him, and i think he would have lost because they would all see their noses being pushed out of the trough. But they can't do anything of their own making for another year.
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Yeah, a few were saying the same yesterday. It would’ve made sense to wait as that would’ve been a demonstration of the wider publics views. Whether Johnson wouldve still scraped through, who knows, but with 170 on the payroll it was always more likely than not that he’d survive
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,812
Apparently they’re going to try and change the rules so they can challenge him with a vote of no confidence again in 6 months not 12.

Still, on a plus note Boris has put this to bed. Raab said so this morning on the TV.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,813
The ironically named James Cleverly also trying to claim that Boris is now more popular than he was when elected leader as he got more votes than previous. Not sure James understands exactly what happened yesterday.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,814
I was at a parish council meeting last night at which we were endorsing the new councillors' code of conduct. We all agreed it was kind of ironic that this had been sent to us on the day Boris changed the parliamentary standards to remove the requirement to adhere to the Nolan Principles of standards in public life (when we at the lowest level of local government were being asked to continue to accept them)
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,815
They're crazily saying to, 'move on' now. Think it is getting to a point where it is going to drag to a stop for all of them.

When his anti corruption champion resigns because he says Johnson has broken the ministerial code and that should be a resigning issue, then I can't see any way forward.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,816
The result yesterday is the worst possible outcome the Tories could have suffered. It's worse than Boris being ousted.
Time to "move on" as they are pushing won't wash with the British public. " Move on" says let's forget what happened during lockdown. Boris got away with it and you should accept it.
So long as Boris Johnson remains in charge the wound will fester until the general election and the electorate will vote them out . They will not move on. They will not forget and while Boris is still in charge it will just exacerbate the problem.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,817
Anyone catch the GB News exclusive?

Apparently Sue Grey was caught singing karaoke at a boozy Westminster party… before the pandemic.

Shocking stuff.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,818
Philosorapter said:
They're crazily saying to, 'move on' now. Think it is getting to a point where it is going to drag to a stop for all of them.

When his anti corruption champion resigns because he says Johnson has broken the ministerial code and that should be a resigning issue, then I can't see any way forward.
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Thats how I can see the party justifying changing the 12 month rule
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,819
Grendel said:
It will purely depend on what happens in the next 12 months and what the polls then are like

The by elections will create more noise and then after that it will settle down but purely depends on future polling in the next year
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I think the enquiry will be the big thing. Comes out unscathed he might just ride this out. Found to have misled parliament and he could bein trouble.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,820
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
The result yesterday is the worst possible outcome the Tories could have suffered. It's worse than Boris being ousted.
Time to "move on" as they are pushing won't wash with the British public. " Move on" says let's forget what happened during lockdown. Boris got away with it and you should accept it.
So long as Boris Johnson remains in charge the wound will fester until the general election and the electorate will vote them out . They will not move on. They will not forget and while Boris is still in charge it will just exacerbate the problem.
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They keep banging on about moving on in the hope the people will give up and follow their instructions, he was saved by his party yesterday he has a long way to go to try to get back in favour with the normal people.
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,821
Don’t think Boris is in quite as much immediate danger as everyone else seems to be suggesting. He still has a big majority in parliament, so there’s no chance of any election coming soon. And with the economic situation only likely to deteriorate further over the next few months, I can see the rationale for any leadership challengers waiting as long as they can before ousting him, while Johnson continues to absorb shit from the public and the media. Throw in the wild card of Labour potentially changing its own leader in the next couple of months and you may as well wait it out while Boris twists in the wind.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,822
SBT said:
Don’t think Boris is in quite as much immediate danger as everyone else seems to be suggesting. He still has a big majority in parliament, so there’s no chance of any election coming soon. And with the economic situation only likely to deteriorate further over the next few months, I can see the rationale for any leadership challengers waiting as long as they can before ousting him, while Johnson continues to absorb shit from the public and the media. Throw in the wild card of Labour potentially changing its own leader in the next couple of months and you may as well wait it out while Boris twists in the wind.
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The outcome of beergate will be a big factor

The outcome probably is no fine as no retrospective action but if caught at the time would be - as with Cummings - that makes Starmer in a position where he won’t resign but will get a lot of scrutiny and negative press and the attention shifts
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,823
shmmeee said:
Anyone catch the GB News exclusive?

Apparently Sue Grey was caught singing karaoke at a boozy Westminster party… before the pandemic.

Shocking stuff.
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Yes I saw that - it was the last gasp desperate action of a total grifter.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,824
Doesn’t sound like the drawing a line under it is working. Even amongsts the Tories

The Cabinet should act. (Though doubtless it won't.) | Conservative Home

Johnson would be better leaving office undefeated than forced out by further challenges - after yet more weeks or months of stasis.
www.conservativehome.com
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,825
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,826
Philosorapter said:
They're crazily saying to, 'move on' now. Think it is getting to a point where it is going to drag to a stop for all of them.

When his anti corruption champion resigns because he says Johnson has broken the ministerial code and that should be a resigning issue, then I can't see any way forward.
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It’s just let more empty vacuous slogans for empty vacuous people to repeat over and over
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,827
SkyBlueMatt said:
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He’s on the vinegar strokes too by the sound of it.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,828
The undoing of Boris could be that in the past he and the wider government have said something completely nonsensical and too many people have just gone yeah yeah yeah that sounds great without actually considering what it actually is that they’ve just said, or not said as the case usually goes. I think he’s lost enough of that luxury now that waffle, say something in Latin, ruffle hair, meaningless three word slogan isn’t going cut it anymore. Enough people have turned against him now that they won’t accept that and ask for a tangible explanation.

Exhibit A being


Without the luxury of a compliant press it’s going to be more difficult for Boris to hide what an empty vessel he is in reality, devoid of any of the qualities needed to govern in good times let alone difficult times.

Also, didn’t Blockbusters start as a money laundering front for criminals?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,829
skybluetony176 said:
The undoing of Boris could be that in the past he and the wider government have said something completely nonsensical and too many people have just gone yeah yeah yeah that sounds great without actually considering what it actually is that they’ve just said, or not said as the case usually goes. I think he’s lost enough of that luxury now that waffle, say something in Latin, ruffle hair, meaningless three word slogan isn’t going cut it anymore. Enough people have turned against him now that they won’t accept that and ask for a tangible explanation.

Exhibit A being


Without the luxury of a compliant press it’s going to be more difficult for Boris to hide what an empty vessel he is in reality, devoid of any of the qualities needed to govern in good times let alone difficult times.

Also, didn’t Blockbusters start as a money laundering front for criminals?
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Vee-gan Clownish Tomjapery
 

duffer

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,830
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
IMHO they jumped the gun with the timing of the confidence vote. There are two by-elections in just two weeks' time, in which the Tories are pretty much guaranteed to lose their large majorities. THAT would be the time to decide if you had confidence in him, and i think he would have lost because they would all see their noses being pushed out of the trough. But they can't do anything of their own making for another year.
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Except that that would look like (and in fact be) political opportunism, and would likely be highlighted as such by the opposition.

Don't get me wrong, they're Tory MPs, so morals are always elastic at best, but they want to be seen as getting rid of Boris for the good of the country, rather than because they're worried about their own electoral chances. If they wait until after the by-elections that's harder to spin.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,831
Grendel said:
The outcome of beergate will be a big factor

The outcome probably is no fine as no retrospective action but if caught at the time would be - as with Cummings - that makes Starmer in a position where he won’t resign but will get a lot of scrutiny and negative press and the attention shifts
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But but but but but but but but but starmer
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,832
Surely a Blockbuster health care system in the age of Netflix is outdated, unused and ultimately bankrupt with just the name surviving?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,833
shmmeee said:
Surely a Blockbuster health care system in the age of Netflix is outdated, unused and ultimately bankrupt with just the name surviving?
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Yeah but what would starmer do and what would Corbyn have done. Can you imagine the unmitigated disaster it would have been without Boris these last couple of years
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,834
Sky Blue Pete said:
But but but but but but but but but starmer
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Well obviously its about him as well. Oddly people will form opinions of both leaders
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,835
Johnson has split:

The country
The Union
The Tory party


But yeah let's move on and let him carry on 'running' the country.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,836
PVA said:
Johnson has split:

The country
The Union
The Tory party


But yeah let's move on and let him carry on ruining the country.
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Fixed
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,837
CCFCSteve said:
Reckon he’d just walk if that was the case. He doesn’t need all this. He’s been inadvertently tarnished by Johnson so can’t imagine he’d accept being sidelined

If Johnson wanted to be serious about changing and challenging at the next election he’d get the best team around him. As someone alluded to yesterday though, is anyone decent willing to join his cabinet now ? And that’s if he’s willing to change, which is hugely questionable
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Tarnished by Johnson? He's an awful chancellor and his austerity budget in the current environment is enough in itself to tarnish him.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,838
fernandopartridge said:
Tarnished by Johnson? He's an awful chancellor and his austerity budget in the current environment is enough in itself to tarnish him.
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I meant in terms of partygate
 

duffer

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,839
CCFCSteve said:
Reckon he’d just walk if that was the case. He doesn’t need all this. He’s been inadvertently tarnished by Johnson so can’t imagine he’d accept being sidelined

If Johnson wanted to be serious about changing and challenging at the next election he’d get the best team around him. As someone alluded to yesterday though, is anyone decent willing to join his cabinet now ? And that’s if he’s willing to change, which is hugely questionable
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Johnson has never wanted the best team, he wants the ultra-loyalists who go along with him regardless.

Unfortunately the Venn diagram of 'loyal to Johnson' and 'a complete idiot' fit in the same exact circle.

Why do you think he would change? He has already gone from 'humbled' to "I'd do the same thing again".

The man is a complete disgrace; his only redeeming quality is that he clearly highlights how much of the rest of his party is equally shabby.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 7, 2022
  • #14,840
Why is this?

 
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