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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 3, 2022
  • #14,526
Sick Boy said:
The MSM stuff is bizarre as well - again it’s just imported from the USA. What exactly is the media that they think tells ‘the truth’?
It’s not like The Times is a left wing paper either.
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The Times with some top-notch trolling today


 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 4, 2022
  • #14,527
Tommo1993 said:
This desperation has no bottom.
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 4, 2022
  • #14,528
Interesting comparison

Boris Johnson Called “Conservative Corbyn” As Partygate Scandal Clouds People’s View Of Cost Of Living Response

Partygate has caused so much damage to Boris Johnson’s reputation that new cost of living measures seem to be falling flat among the general public...
www.politicshome.com
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 4, 2022
  • #14,529
Sick Boy said:
The MSM stuff is bizarre as well - again it’s just imported from the USA. What exactly is the media that they think tells ‘the truth’?
It’s not like The Times is a left wing paper either.
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The same Times that backed Johnson to be prime minister, was it fake news then?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 4, 2022
  • #14,530

Wow

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 4, 2022
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David O'Day said:

Wow

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Interesting for the Greens to gain 8 from the Tories
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 4, 2022
  • #14,532
Philosorapter said:
The Times with some top-notch trolling today


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The people who cheered were cheering the people who were booing.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 4, 2022
  • #14,533
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Interesting for the Greens to gain 8 from the Tories
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If you are an environmentally minded tory they are a good bet

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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 4, 2022
  • #14,534
David O'Day said:

Wow

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I think it’s probably not surprising Labour are likely to take Wakefield back. If the margin is correct that is surprising.

I think the real shockwave will be the Tories losing Tiverton which is looking like a possibility.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 4, 2022
  • #14,535
skybluetony176 said:
I think it’s probably not surprising Labour are likely to take Wakefield back. If the margin is correct that is surprising.

I think the real shockwave will be the Tories losing Tiverton which is looking like a possibility.
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Deffo, if they lose that seat more letters will come in. But Wakefield may worry a few red wall tories

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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 4, 2022
  • #14,536
David O'Day said:
If you are an environmentally minded tory they are a good bet

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Assuming it's Tories switching of course, chance it could be Labour voters going Green offset by a mix of possibly Brexit and Tory going Labour.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 5, 2022
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fernandopartridge said:
Assuming it's Tories switching of course, chance it could be Labour voters going Green offset by a mix of possibly Brexit and Tory going Labour.
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Hadn’t considered that actually, just the percentages matched up nicely. Sample size just 500 too
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #14,538
David O'Day said:

Wow

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Any other leader would be 20 points ahead…
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 5, 2022
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #14,540
PVA said:
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The excellent Dan Hodges reporting the same. Although he’s also reporting that rebels will go on a vote strike if he wins a vote of no confidence then refuse’s to resign. The most surprising thing is that it’s got to this point as Dominic Raab was on the TV in the week saying it wouldn’t.

Tory plotters in ‘vote strike’ threat unless Boris agrees to quit No10

www.mailplus.co.uk
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #14,541
Wonder if Nads has seen this one.

The best thing about this is Johnson is clearly in the job for the adoration and to be loved. To be hailed for getting Brexit done.

Now he's just going to get booed everywhere he goes.


 
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PVA

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  • Jun 5, 2022
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 5, 2022
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PVA said:
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If I was them I’d want to wait until after the by elections. If the polling is correct and they lost Wakefield surely there’s no chance of him winning a confidence vote
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 5, 2022
  • #14,544
CCFCSteve said:
If I was them I’d want to wait until after the by elections. If the polling is correct and they lost Wakefield surely there’s no chance of him winning a confidence vote
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Fair point, but I think the stench of Partygate and the fact he can't go out in public without being booed is bigger than a by election defeat now.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jun 6, 2022
  • #14,545
Nice to wake up to a vote of no confidence.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 6, 2022
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Terry Gibson's perm said:
Nice to wake up to a vote of no confidence.
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He's going to win it though, isn't he. And he won't resign after that.

Still, it's reassuring that the Conservative Party isn't totally gone in its morals I suppose. Let's hope enough vote against him to at least show the folly of him carrying on.
 
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duffer

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  • Jun 6, 2022
  • #14,547
The worst thing for the Tories now, is if he wins it!

If I was Labour, I'd make hay of the fact that a substantial majority of the party of law and order sat on the fence and vacillated, even though most of the country knew what needed to be done immediately the facts came out.

Ministers who publicly supported him can wear it around their necks like a millstone, come campaign time.
 

duffer

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  • Jun 6, 2022
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Deleted member 5849 said:
He's going to win it though, isn't he. And he won't resign after that.

Still, it's reassuring that the Conservative Party isn't totally gone in its morals I suppose. Let's hope enough vote against him to at least show the folly of him carrying on.
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Politely disagree, NW. If they had morals, he would have been gone weeks ago. Look at how long it's taken to get here and all of the other ministers who've defended him.

For most MPs, this is about electoral calculus, not morals - that ship has sailed, I'm afraid.
 
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BodicoteSkyBlue

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  • Jun 6, 2022
  • #14,549
Part of me wants him to win, just so that he can drag the Conservative party even further down into the mire.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 6, 2022
  • #14,550
Good letter this. Doesn't just attack Partygate, but actually points out the government has nothing beyond the culture war.

80 seat majority and they're reduced to this, utter embarrassment of a government - zero ideas, zero policies, zero talent, zero leadership.



 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 6, 2022
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Still think the vote against would’ve been more certain after by elections. I was reading something like 170 MPs have got some kind of ministerial post so would be surprised if he lost. It will come down to how close this gets though I guess
 
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CCFCSteve said:
Still think the vote against would’ve been more certain after by elections. I was reading something like 170 MPs have got some kind of ministerial post so would be surprised if he lost. It will come down to how close this gets though I guess
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The 'tradition' is that you win, but lose enough support to be damaged enough you resign. I'm not convinced he has it in him to resign, however, even if a large number vote against him.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 6, 2022
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duffer said:
Politely disagree, NW. If they had morals, he would have been gone weeks ago. Look at how long it's taken to get here and all of the other ministers who've defended him.

For most MPs, this is about electoral calculus, not morals - that ship has sailed, I'm afraid.
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Yeah agree

"Now is not the time for a change of leadership, don't you know there's a war on!?"
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"What's that, he got booed? I might lose my job at the next election? Where's my headed letter paper!"
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 6, 2022
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PVA said:
Good letter this. Doesn't just attack Partygate, but actually points out the government has nothing beyond the culture war.

80 seat majority and they're reduced to this, utter embarrassment of a government - zero ideas, zero policies, zero talent, zero leadership.



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I park a lot of the noise and just look at whether this cabinet has got the ideas and capability to deliver policy to get us through what will undoubtedly be a tricky time. I think we all know that answer at the moment

One of biggest mistakes Johnson has made is surrounding himself by second rate supporters in cabinet. No challenge and little intellect (other than Sunak and Gove). He’s had the chances to change it and change his ways but chosen not to
 
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PVA said:
Yeah agree

"Now is not the time for a change of leadership, don't you know there's a war on!?"
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"What's that, he got booed? I might lose my job at the next election? Where's my headed letter paper!"
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It's not unreasonable to wait until the jubilee is over, tbh.

It's also not unreasonable to wait until Sue Grey's report was published.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd have never voted him in in the first place, but then I'm not of a Tory mindset anyway. What is true is that he's never been particularly popular among MPs, they just begrudgingly went for his popularity in the country during a time of chaos. Some of those MPs may have been purged, but there's still enough old-school ones among them who would never have him there. Some of those, of course, will still back him under the logic you always back your leader.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 6, 2022
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Deleted member 5849 said:
The 'tradition' is that you win, but lose enough support to be damaged enough you resign. I'm not convinced he has it in him to resign, however, even if a large number vote against him.
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Exactly. I was reading about ‘vote against’ numbers/etiquette in previous votes that would lead to resignation. All bets are off here
 
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Deleted member 5849

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CCFCSteve said:
I park a lot of the noise and just look at whether this cabinet has got the ideas and capability to deliver policy to get us through what will undoubtedly be a tricky time. I think we all know that answer at the moment

One of biggest mistakes Johnson has made is surrounding himself by second rate supporters in cabinet. No challenge and little intellect (other than Sunak and Gove). He’s had the chances to change it and change his ways but chosen not to
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Sajid Javid seems capable if idologically appalling from my POV.

That's the danger of being careful what you wish for, mind. We'll undoubtedly get a more competent leader if he goes (is it possible to be less?!?) but expect a more Cameron-style approach to the public sector etc - and that could be very worrying.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 6, 2022
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Terry Gibson's perm said:
Nice to wake up to a vote of no confidence.
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Missus not happy this morning TGP ?!
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 6, 2022
  • #14,559
An exercise in pointlessness
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 6, 2022
  • #14,560
Lovely bunch, the Tories


 
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