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SBAndy

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  • May 26, 2022
  • #14,281
To be fair, this whole situation is the perfect advert for nationalising energy.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 26, 2022
  • #14,282
The state of this.

Embarrassing.


 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 26, 2022
  • #14,283
PVA said:
The state of this.

Embarrassing.


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Nationalism portrayed as patriotism is all they’ve got left. A pound shop Berlusconi as PM and a pound shop Mussolini for an Attorney General. What a time to be alive.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 26, 2022
  • #14,284
Reading Oliver Eagleton's book about Starmer when I can on holiday

He's not coming across well so far (I've only really read about some of his time as DPP)
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 26, 2022
  • #14,285
PVA said:
The state of this.

Embarrassing.


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You can see that she's actually embarrassed to be even saying it, she clips what she says and looks in the other direction.
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,286
fernandopartridge said:
Reading Oliver Eagleton's book about Starmer when I can on holiday

He's not coming across well so far (I've only really read about some of his time as DPP)
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This has already crossed my radar, but haven't delved too much into it yet.

Tell us who you really are, Keir Starmer

The most detailed study of the Labour leader so far charts his role in the Brexit wars and in the downfall of Corbynism.
www.newstatesman.com
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,287
SBAndy said:
To be fair, this whole situation is the perfect advert for nationalising energy.
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Indeed
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,288
Helping people put food on the table is bad politics. Wanker.


 

AOM

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,289
This is proper Partridge

 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,290
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,291
Philosorapter said:
This has already crossed my radar, but haven't delved too much into it yet.

Tell us who you really are, Keir Starmer

The most detailed study of the Labour leader so far charts his role in the Brexit wars and in the downfall of Corbynism.
www.newstatesman.com
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I remember the McKinnon stuff which was pretty shameful.

I also knew about his extreme left beginnings - the same as Blair and his Bennitte CND Marxist stage

He’s a chameleon like Blair and Cameron - unlike Blair his acting is Crossroads standard compared to Golden Globe Blair

Looking at his reluctance to prosecute MI5 torturers is somewhat disturbing
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,292
PVA said:
Helping people put food on the table is bad politics. Wanker.


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Helping the poor, bad economics. Walking away from the world's biggest trading bloc, good economics.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,293
Grendel said:
I remember the McKinnon stuff which was pretty shameful.

I also knew about his extreme left beginnings - the same as Blair and his Bennitte CND Marxist stage

He’s a chameleon like Blair and Cameron - unlike Blair his acting is Crossroads standard compared to Golden Globe Blair

Looking at his reluctance to prosecute MI5 torturers is somewhat disturbing
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New New Labour, new new danger, eh G?
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,294
Grendel said:
I remember the McKinnon stuff which was pretty shameful.

I also knew about his extreme left beginnings - the same as Blair and his Bennitte CND Marxist stage

He’s a chameleon like Blair and Cameron - unlike Blair his acting is Crossroads standard compared to Golden Globe Blair

Looking at his reluctance to prosecute MI5 torturers is somewhat disturbing
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shmmeee said:
New New Labour, new new danger, eh G?
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From what I have posted a lot earlier and a theme I have been posting about for a while now. There is no real independence between Crown & Government. The system we use to administrate ourselves in this commonwealth is as good as dead.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,295
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,296
Philosorapter said:
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The “a country founded on pursuit of liberty will end with everyone stabbing each other in the face” seems particularly prescient at the moment.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,297
Pound shop Berlusconi strikes again

 
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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,298
skybluetony176 said:
Pound shop Berlusconi strikes again

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The UK really is a banana Republic.

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Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,299
CCFCSteve said:
They were always going to take more action. Sunak had said he wanted to know what the energy cap might rise to in Oct first. The timing of the announcement is embarrassingly transparent though !
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None of us are going to forgive Johnson for what went on in lockdown . Ever. Neither are we stupid enough to not realise that by failing to get rid of him after the report the whole cabinet is effectively endorsing what he did.
Come the general election they will regret that .
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,300
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
None of us are going to forgive Johnson for what went on in lockdown . Ever. Neither are we stupid enough to not realise that by failing to get rid of him after the report the whole cabinet is effectively endorsing what he did.
Come the general election they will regret that .
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Just need some strong opposition now. Anyone know where there is a sale on?
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,301
Another one.

Think this is going to go on for a while yet.

 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,302
 
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PVA

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  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,303
Deleted member 5849 said:
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That's genuinely shocking and it's a tragedy that the majority of the public don't know what this government are doing (bar newspaper and TV headlines which never cover things like this).
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,304
Johnson sinks to a new low, he really has no shame. He’s turned the country into a joke.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,305
PVA said:
That's genuinely shocking and it's a tragedy that the majority of the public don't know what this government are doing (bar newspaper and TV headlines which never cover things like this).
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Worse still that even if they did know they wouldn't care.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 27, 2022
  • #14,306
Oof

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #14,307
shmmeee said:
Oof

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He’s on the ropes. If there was a standout replacement he’d probably be gone already
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 28, 2022
  • #14,308
CCFCSteve said:
He’s on the ropes. If there was a standout replacement he’d probably be gone already
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There probably is one, but they have been hidden on the back benches, so us the general public don't know who they are. Makes you wonder if he has deliberately chosen inept sycophants, party so they can't stand out as being more competent than him. As soon as Rishi started getting positive headlines, Johnson stopped using him for press conferences, etc, he was MIA for about 3 months.

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skybluetony176

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #14,309
CCFCSteve said:
He’s on the ropes. If there was a standout replacement he’d probably be gone already
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It’s almost as if it was deliberate to purge the party of anyone with an ounce of intelligence.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #14,310
stupot07 said:
There probably is one, but they have been hidden on the back benches, so us the general public don't know who they are. Makes you wonder if he has deliberately chosen inept sycophants, party so they can't stand out as being more competent than him. As soon as Rishi started getting positive headlines, Johnson stopped using him for press conferences, etc, he was MIA for about 3 months.

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100%. That’s one of my major problems with politics, especially in recent times. Better quality on back rather than front benches, which is just wrong.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #14,311
skybluetony176 said:
It’s almost as if it was deliberate to purge the party of anyone with an ounce of intelligence.
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It reflects society to some extent. Narrowing of views, no willingness to be challenged or have debate. That’s no way to run a country
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #14,312
CCFCSteve said:
It reflects society to some extent. Narrowing of views, no willingness to be challenged or have debate. That’s no way to run a country
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I agree with this, and yet you and many others voted for this man. Own it.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #14,313
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I agree with this, and yet you and many others voted for this man. Own it.
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What does ‘own it’ even mean ?! Once you make a decision you cant question your choice ? Or you cant change your view on something or a person ?

My vote in the last election, whoever I voted for, was irrelevant as I’m in a strong Labour seat. The majority of the country was given a choice though, Johnson or Corbyn, not ideal for most. Nobody knows what will then happen, who will be in the cabinets, what, if any parts of the manifesto will be implemented or how someone will govern ?

It might go against the boards majority view but I couldn’t vote for Corbyn for my own reasons but that’s the past and is irrelevant now. While we know he wouldnt have conducted himself like Johnson (I can’t imagine an equivalent of Partygate under his watch for example !), none of us know for sure whether he would’ve been better or worse.

Surely you should be more concerned about people blindly supporting someone through all their errors and faults, rather than someone who might question them ?

Ps if ‘own it’, ‘live with it’ ‘it’s your fault’ is Labour/lefts attitude in the red wall seats at the next election, they can forget. There should be attempting to understand why people voted Tory, many for the first time and address their concerns to win them back.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #14,314
CCFCSteve said:
What does ‘own it’ even mean ?! Once you make a decision you cant question your choice ? Or you cant change your view on something or a person ?

My vote in the last election, whoever I voted for, was irrelevant as I’m in a strong Labour seat. The majority of the country was given a choice though, Johnson or Corbyn, not ideal for most. Nobody knows what will then happen, who will be in the cabinets, what, if any parts of the manifesto will be implemented or how someone will govern ?

It might go against the boards majority view but I couldn’t vote for Corbyn for my own reasons but that’s the past and is irrelevant now. While we know he wouldnt have conducted himself like Johnson (I can’t imagine an equivalent of Partygate under his watch for example !), none of us know for sure whether he would’ve been better or worse.

Surely you should be more concerned about people blindly supporting someone through all their errors and faults, rather than someone who might question them ?

Ps if ‘own it’, ‘live with it’ ‘it’s your fault’ is Labour/lefts attitude in the red wall seats at the next election, they can forget. There should be attempting to understand why people voted Tory, many for the first time and address their concerns to win them back.
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'Own it' means accept that voting for the criminal clown was a mistake. Johnson I feel confident in calling the worst PM since 1945, and his track record across his life told you he would turn out pretty much as he has done. At this moment in time I'm not a Labour voter either and my vote went elsewhere last time I had the choice. It likely still will in 2024. I just think if you vote for a criminal PM on the basis of a 3 word slogan you sort of lose the right to complain afterwards.

On the PS, there is no reasoning with people who blame Labour for the central government ignoring their towns/cities/regions and cutting everything in sight. Nor is there any reasoning with people in former industrial towns voting for the party that tossed it all in the bin a few decades prior. You said it yourself-it's a reflection of society. People don't care about policies, technicalities or the nitty gritty, just what is slapped on the front of the product once every 5 years-then they genuinely wonder why the elected officials are as they are.

You'd be right to tell me I should be less cynical-but a hell of a lot of people should be a hell of a lot more cynical too.
 
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PVA

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #14,315
CCFCSteve said:
He’s on the ropes. If there was a standout replacement he’d probably be gone already
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I don't know, so many of them are so invested in the cult of Boris.

They're willing to debase themselves on TV every day and back criminal behaviour all in the name of Dear Leader.
 
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