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Sky Blue Pete · May 19, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
I think it probably represents 100% of the retrospective fines though…possibly for the whole country. I’m not condoning what happened, it was wrong, however, the police would’ve turned a blind eye to most potential breaches during the pandemic yet couldn't here. If they investigated all of them like these Id imagine millions of people would’ve been fined and the police wouldn’t have been doing anything else for years

We now have the ridiculous situation where Simon Case (Cabinet Secretary) hasn’t been fined even though he expected to be, Johnson and his missus not fined for the Abba party and yet Rishi Sunak fined for walking into a meeting early and singing happy birthday ?! As I’ve alluded to before as soon as it comes down to loose interpretation it’s going to get messy.

I also read yesterday that six police are investigating Starmers event over a six week period. I appreciate it’s not a popular opinion but what an absolute waste of police time. All this for £3k of fines so far from hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of police time spent on the matter

On to the Sue Gray report which in my eyes might be far more important in the grand scheme of things

None of it will be Steve. The tories and especially Boris have hoodwinked enough of the country to believe it’s too difficult to do a good job so trying your best is ok

Tell that to the family who lost children in the grenfell fire because companies wanted to make money and oversight was non existent. They did their best

Tell that to families who’ve watched children not be able to get mental health support so have committed suicide. It’s ok the professionals and treasury did their best

We should expect better from ourselves and from those in power. Trying hard just doesn’t cut it for some jobs and it shouldn’t cut it for anything we do that affects others

duffer · May 19, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
None of it will be Steve. The tories and especially Boris have hoodwinked enough of the country to believe it’s too difficult to do a good job so trying your best is ok

Tell that to the family who lost children in the grenfell fire because companies wanted to make money and oversight was non existent. They did their best

Tell that to families who’ve watched children not be able to get mental health support so have committed suicide. It’s ok the professionals and treasury did their best

We should expect better from ourselves and from those in power. Trying hard just doesn’t cut it for some jobs and it shouldn’t cut it for anything we do that affects others

Pete, this Government isn't trying its best to do anything other than gaslight the country to give the impression that we're all suffering equally and there's nothing they can do to help.

The people in charge of the country are both criminal and corrupt. All that they're actually trying hard to do is line their own and their mates' pockets and hold onto power for as long as possible so that they can continue to do so. Nothing else matters to them.

Party of law and order!

Deleted member 5849 · May 19, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
Five…someone likes to party !!! Govey on the rave

Acting Deputy Commissioner Helen Ball said: 'In total we have made 126 referrals for a fixed-penalty notice to be issued.. 28 people have been referred for between two and five fixed-penalty notices.

For balance... why didn't they announce these fines before local elections?!? Johnson not being fined again was as much worth knowing as him being fined more times!

Anyway, on to the report...

Sky Blue Pete · May 19, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
For balance... why didn't they announce these fines before local elections?!? Johnson not being fined again was as much worth knowing as him being fined more times!

Anyway, on to the report...

That will be ignored

CCFCSteve · May 19, 2022

Deleted member 5849 said:
For balance... why didn't they announce these fines before local elections?!? Johnson not being fined again was as much worth knowing as him being fined more times!

Anyway, on to the report...

Yeah, strange. I honestly can’t believe he avoided more fines after getting one for that ‘birthday party’ which I thought would be the lesser of the offences

CCFCSteve · May 19, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
None of it will be Steve. The tories and especially Boris have hoodwinked enough of the country to believe it’s too difficult to do a good job so trying your best is ok

Tell that to the family who lost children in the grenfell fire because companies wanted to make money and oversight was non existent. They did their best

Tell that to families who’ve watched children not be able to get mental health support so have committed suicide. It’s ok the professionals and treasury did their best

We should expect better from ourselves and from those in power. Trying hard just doesn’t cut it for some jobs and it shouldn’t cut it for anything we do that affects others

I don’t know Pete, unless there’s some massive turnaround I can’t see Johnson winning the next election. Police fines or not, a lot of the public have lost trust and the government look devoid of ideas. That’s why I thought Starmer/Labour were wrong to major on pushing for resignations following any Partygate FPNs. They’ve just made a rod for their own backs. They should’ve let it play out and left it to the electorate*

*the potential lying to parliament would be slightly different in my eyes and warranted calls for resignation…without the risk attached

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 19, 2022

clint van damme said:
I'm not saying he wouldn't be. I just find him to be one ofthe dullest politicians out there.
I really don't like Rachael Reeves but find she grabs your attention far more when speaking.

As I say, just my personal opinion.

But this is why we and other countries in the world have such crap leaders. They choose the charismatic, interesting but ultimately incapable or self-interested option. Then act surprised when it goes tits up. Make decisions on ability.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 19, 2022

clint van damme said:
Damning with faint praise but he's a better performer than Starmer in my opinion.

Thing is he wasn't a good performer when leader. He had advisors putting the shackles on him and he came across badly. Same with Starmer - I cant believe he'd naturally dither and be so non-committal on stuff. It's the people telling them what to do that are ruining them.

clint van damme · May 19, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But this is why we and other countries in the world have such crap leaders. They choose the charismatic, interesting but ultimately incapable or self-interested option. Then act surprised when it goes tits up. Make decisions on ability.

As far as I'm concerned he doesn't score very high I'm that department either.
If I vote for him it will be because Johnson is far worse.

Philosoraptor · May 20, 2022

I didn't realise it was the Tories turn for Lord Mayor.

Philosoraptor · May 20, 2022

Upset someone already..

clint van damme · May 20, 2022

Philosorapter said:
Upset someone already..

He's an absolute wanker. Him and Duggins, what a pair.

chiefdave · May 20, 2022

Philosorapter said:
I didn't realise it was the Tories turn for Lord Mayor.

I thought whoever said he'd be the next mayor was joking. We def need a new system to select a mayor, having the likes of Lucas and Mason is just an embarrassment to the city.

shmmeee · May 20, 2022

More top work from Rees-Mogg:

We are absolutely run by morons.

skybluetony176 · May 20, 2022

shmmeee said:
More top work from Rees-Mogg:

We are absolutely run by morons.

They’ve got a plan. They’re making 90,000 civil servants redundant in the middle of a cost of living crisis. That should clear the corridors.

shmmeee · May 20, 2022

Frostie · May 20, 2022

shmmeee said:

PVA · May 20, 2022

Tories gonna Tory

jimmyhillsfanclub · May 20, 2022

shmmeee said:
More top work from Rees-Mogg:

We are absolutely run by morons.

Where did they all work before the pandemic?.......or has the department been selling all the desks on ebay as a side hussle?

There were never enough desks (or books, or teachers) in my old comprehensive days under Thatcher......maybe they're trying to embrace that culture

chiefdave · May 20, 2022

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Where did they all work before the pandemic?.......or has the department been selling all the desks on ebay as a side hussle?

Presumably they had hybrid working so weren't all in at the same time and some genius has ordered them all back to the office.

Sky Blue Pete · May 20, 2022

shmmeee said:

He’s done so well working hard to make his money

Sky Blue Pete · May 20, 2022

chiefdave said:
Presumably they had hybrid working so weren't all in at the same time and some genius has ordered them all back to the office.

Exactly what’s happening. Government estate rules 6 desks per 10 people! Our new building has 1200 or so for 2000 staff and our bosses are being stupid about making people comeback in without listening to sensible solutions

CCFCSteve · May 20, 2022

chiefdave said:
Presumably they had hybrid working so weren't all in at the same time and some genius has ordered them all back to the office.

It’s surely just common sense though Dave. Looks to me that either the people running DFE are stupid or trying to prove a point…I’m guessing the latter

I think the governments issue was more that a majority were WFH. As I’ve said, I personally don’t have an issue with any WFH, it’s none of my business, until it impacts on the service I am buying or paying for. If it does then those people shouldn’t be WFH

CCFCSteve · May 20, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
Exactly what’s happening. Government estate rules 6 desks per 10 people! Our new building has 1200 or so for 2000 staff and our bosses are being stupid about making people comeback in without listening to sensible solutions

Political posturing on both sides Pete. I understand the governments position if there is an issue with productivity/safeguarding data etc, but if so prove it. The response, on the surface at least, appears childish

Grendel · May 20, 2022

chiefdave said:
Presumably they had hybrid working so weren't all in at the same time and some genius has ordered them all back to the office.

not having enough is dumb anyway - they had about 75% capacity and a hot desk strategy on the assumption 1 in 4 would be out at any one time in my old place

You ended up on random shared workstations most of the time

shmmeee · May 20, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
Political posturing on both sides Pete. I understand the governments position if there is an issue with productivity/safeguarding data etc, but if so prove it. The response, on the surface at least, appears childish

It’s just needless centralisation and authoritarianism. What business is it of central govt how departments or even private business runs their affairs? If results aren’t right haul the management up to explain their decisions to ministers, don’t start a cowardly campaign in the press against the workers.

stupot07 · May 20, 2022

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CCFCSteve · May 20, 2022

shmmeee said:
It’s just needless centralisation and authoritarianism. What business is it of central govt how departments or even private business runs their affairs? If results aren’t right haul the management up to explain their decisions to ministers, don’t start a cowardly campaign in the press against the workers.

That’s what I’m saying though shmmeee. If there’s a productivity or safeguarding of data issue, you raise it and get people back in. If you feel you need people in the office at least some if the time to get the best out of them and the wider team, then also fair enough. But as is standard with any issues these days, you just get the extremes shouting at each other rather than just work towards a sensible, happy medium that works best for the employer/employees.

I’d imagine most private sector firms have probably found this already

stupot07 · May 20, 2022

chiefdave said:
Presumably they had hybrid working so weren't all in at the same time and some genius has ordered them all back to the office.

Also total numbers of staff is misleading, the more accurate figure is full time equivalent. You might have 2000 staff but 50% of those are a mix of part-time and job-share too.

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PVA · May 20, 2022

stupot07 said:
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They shouldn't be surprised that Johnson and Co would throw them under the bus.

skybluetony176 · May 20, 2022

I was reading a conspiracy theory the other day that the government is pushing an end to WFH to garner favour from the tabloids as paper sales have plummeted during and since covid because commuter numbers being down is directly linked to sales of papers being down.

shmmeee · May 20, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
I was reading a conspiracy theory the other day that the government is pushing an end to WFH to garner favour from the tabloids as paper sales have plummeted during and since covid because commuter numbers being down is directly linked to sales of papers being down.

Thats the theory being put forward by Dominic Cummings.

SBT · May 20, 2022

I thought Covid was a media conspiracy in the first place?

Deleted member 5849 · May 20, 2022

CCFCSteve said:
That’s what I’m saying though shmmeee. If there’s a productivity or safeguarding of data issue, you raise it and get people back in. If you feel you need people in the office at least some if the time to get the best out of them and the wider team, then also fair enough. But as is standard with any issues these days, you just get the extremes shouting at each other rather than just work towards a sensible, happy medium that works best for the employer/employees.

I’d imagine most private sector firms have probably found this already

It's stupid anyway, Mrs. Wisdom's 'flexible working contract' means she wfh on Wednesday, and only Wednesday. Who cares if Tuesday is spent exclusively answering emails, and Wednesday she needs to sort something that requires her to be in the office - that's the way it is, and there'll be no changing from the flexible working policy!

Utterly moronic.

shmmeee · May 20, 2022

Everything in this article/thread. And not just from politicians but activists on both sides as well. Even the crazies import Yankee conspiracy theories.

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