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Otis

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,651
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,652
Errr. Sinn Fein are in favour of the protocol. If brains were dynamite he wouldn’t have enough to blow his nose

 
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shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,653
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,654
All these wankers in the media new that at the time and in particular in late 2019 but nevertheless found it convenient to ignore it

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What a wanker. Let's reduce his expenses to 30p a day
skybluetony176 said:
They’re in such a mess over this and it’s all of their own making

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duffer

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,655
PVA said:
Why is it that you can get chucked out the commons for calling the PM a liar (which is a fact), but are allowed to say people on the opposite benches defend murderers and paedophiles and not get pulled up on it?


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It's a disgrace, and I honestly don't know why the Labour party don't fight fire with fire.

It's obvious that parliamentary convention isn't being adhered to in any sense by the Conservative party, so why not start playing by the same rules?

Labour MPs should start calling out the obvious lies by Johnson and Patel, and call them what they are - liars.

They should then refuse to withdraw and also refuse to accept any suspension from Parliament. What could actually be done? I'm not sure there's any actual law that could compel them to leave or to be removed by force. Even if there was standing against it would draw attention to what's going on.

They need, right now, to highlight that government by 'convention' is broken because there is no objective legal process to punish MPs or Ministers who openly and obviously lie to parliament (and in effect, to us).

Until there is, it's time to stop playing the Tory's game where they can say whatever they like and the speaker just accepts it.

There's never been a greater need for a written constitution with legally enforceable standards for holding public office. Government by 'convention' doesn't work when the country is in the hands of the shameless and the corrupt.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,656
duffer said:
It's a disgrace, and I honestly don't know why the Labour party don't fight fire with fire.

It's obvious that parliamentary convention isn't being adhered to in any sense by the Conservative party, so why not start playing by the same rules?

Labour MPs should start calling out the obvious lies by Johnson and Patel, and call them what they are - liars.

They should then refuse to withdraw and also refuse to accept any suspension from Parliament. What could actually be done? I'm not sure there's any actual law that could compel them to leave or to be removed by force. Even if there was standing against it would draw attention to what's going on.

They need, right now, to highlight that government by 'convention' is broken because there is no objective legal process to punish MPs or Ministers who openly and obviously lie to parliament (and in effect, to us).

Until there is, it's time to stop playing the Tory's game where they can say whatever they like and the speaker just accepts it.

There's never been a greater need for a written constitution with legally enforceable standards for holding public office. Government by 'convention' doesn't work when the country is in the hands of the shameless and the corrupt.
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Absolutely and in fact I think it needs to go further. All the opposition parties need to call it out and if that results in them being excluded so be it.

That speech from Patel takes the culture wars to another level and undermines democracy. First she says the Conservatives are the party of law and order. This is clearly not true. Their leader is the first ever Prime Minister to have been found to have broken the law whilst in office. Meanwhile they are openly proposing to break international law by reneging on the treaty that they agreed and was used as the basis for winning the last General Election. By their actions the Conservatives are showing they have no regard for law and order.

The comments about the opposition supporting murderers rapists etc are just disgraceful and have brought this country to a new low. Labour and the other parties have to make a stand on this now.
 
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PVA

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,657
Claiming to be the party of law and order is just absurd.

Look at their rap sheet for ONE month ffs

 
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shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,658
Fantasy stuff, but would be great to see every non-Tory member get themselves kicked out over the course of a day for calling the Tories liars. The image of just Tories left in the chamber would be something.

Would do bugger all long term, but a fun game to show how broken the rules are.
 
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oakey

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,659
shmmeee said:
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How can 'Dislikeable' be a criterion except in a popularity contest?
If you don't like someone you've never met and have only seen through the distorted lens of mass media, and admit this openly, it says you're a prejudiced no-brain.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,660
 
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PVA

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,661
What a fucking farce

Absolute banana republic


 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,662
PVA said:
Why is it that you can get chucked out the commons for calling the PM a liar (which is a fact), but are allowed to say people on the opposite benches defend murderers and paedophiles and not get pulled up on it?


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Is every asylum seeker one of those people?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,663
PVA said:
Claiming to be the party of law and order is just absurd.

Look at their rap sheet for ONE month ffs

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Yes but Corbyn
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,664
Apparently Downing Street is now the most fined street in the whole of London. To put that in context it’s about 200mtrs long and only has 2 buildings that are residential. The longest street in London is 1.5 miles long and full of residential buildings. The entire population of Rotherhithe St are more responsible than the government.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,665
PVA said:
Why is it that you can get chucked out the commons for calling the PM a liar (which is a fact), but are allowed to say people on the opposite benches defend murderers and paedophiles and not get pulled up on it?


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That's disgusting. What did the Speaker do about it?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,666
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yes but Corbyn
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Or if you are a Corbyn fan... yes but Starmer
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,667
shmmeee said:
Massive change doesn’t happen in Parliament. It happens in the public. Parliament is always a step behind. Look at gay marriage, long hard campaign to change peoples minds at which point laws had to be changed.

Lot harder to do that with economics though. So you generally have to get elected on some broad strokes then make incremental steps. Thatcher is probably the best mode for large scale economic change, but it’s a lot easier to rip things down than build them up.
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I agree, but for ll those that desire change there will be those that fiercely oppose it, and often do so more vociferously and loudly. This puts those in power off making change. in some instances the interests of the rich and powerful are protected due to pressure. Not to mention there are usually a large number of middle-aged people who will probably be a bit behind the times.

I agree economics is harder, in fact almost impossible, because as you say you can only do it incrementally because the changes will take time to either take effect or for people to get used to. But sometimes some measures will only work in conjunction with others so have to be done together, but can't be as it would be too much at once. If only one measure is implemented and then fails because of that it will therefore be off the table for some time and the adjoining measure is now not worth putting in place either. Plus a parliamentary cycle is so short in relation to the time needed you'd need many, many consecutive parliaments to make the wholesale changes required and it doesn't seem that parties left of centre are often afforded such time..
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,668
Austerity returns

Boris Johnson wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs

Boris Johnson's plan to save money aims to see staffing return to 2016 levels within three years.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,669
skybluetony176 said:
Austerity returns

Boris Johnson wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs

Boris Johnson's plan to save money aims to see staffing return to 2016 levels within three years.
www.bbc.co.uk
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It’s an open goal for his rabid mates
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,670
skybluetony176 said:
Austerity returns

Boris Johnson wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs

Boris Johnson's plan to save money aims to see staffing return to 2016 levels within three years.
www.bbc.co.uk
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The day after another 50 fines are announced they start trailing this. They'll absolutely love this at The Mail.
 
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PVA

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,671
Could go after the billions of pounds in Covid relief fraud, or the billions of pounds in dodgy PPE supplied by their mates.

...Or you could ease the cost of living crisis by putting nearly 100k people out of work and fucking them and their families over.

Hmm, difficult choice.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,672
skybluetony176 said:
Austerity returns

Boris Johnson wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs

Boris Johnson's plan to save money aims to see staffing return to 2016 levels within three years.
www.bbc.co.uk
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It never went away
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,673
Really interesting piece on authenticity in politicians.

“He says it like it is”

The challenge of authenticity in modern politics
samf.substack.com
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,674
PVA said:
Could go after the billions of pounds in Covid relief fraud, or the billions of pounds in dodgy PPE supplied by their mates.

...Or you could ease the cost of living crisis by putting nearly 100k people out of work and fucking them and their families over.

Hmm, difficult choice.
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No desire to do it or pressure on them when you have people like this in the media that embolden others to vote for them….

 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,675
Ian1779 said:
No desire to do it or pressure on them when you have people like this in the media that embolden others to vote for them….

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Then cost to cook it £258.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,676
Brighton Sky Blue said:
That's disgusting. What did the Speaker do about it?
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The speaker is useless a total lap dog.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,677
skybluetony176 said:
Austerity returns

Boris Johnson wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs

Boris Johnson's plan to save money aims to see staffing return to 2016 levels within three years.
www.bbc.co.uk
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It’s a good idea to make a few cuts to save money but cutting a load at the bottom saves a bit but cut some at the top end and you save a fortune let’s start there for a change, also let’s look to cut numbers in the Houses of Parliament and the House of Lords.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,678
shmmeee said:
Really interesting piece on authenticity in politicians.

“He says it like it is”

The challenge of authenticity in modern politics
samf.substack.com
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Thanks that's a really interesting article.
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,679
Fucking Plum

 
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wingy

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,680
Wonder what has changed?
Considering it was possible to make an uplift a couple of years ago and subsequently reverse it.
 
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PVA

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,681
David O'Day said:
Fucking Plum

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Fuck sake. Why are these cunts so incapable of reading the room?

Major cost of living crisis, people are literally struggling to put food on the table and excuses/justifications include:

Can't increase benefits because 'computer says no'
Poor people just need to learn how to cook
Can't enforce a windfall tax on energy companies because they don't want us to


Even if any of those are true, even if that's what they think in private, don't say it out loud for fuck sake
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,682
PVA said:
Can't increase benefits because 'computer says no'
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Weird how the computer system had no issue with removing the universal credit uplift or increasing tax.
 
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PVA

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,683
Grendel said:
Sir Korma needs a hotter curry

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Does he?

Beergate went well

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,684
PVA said:
Fuck sake. Why are these cunts so incapable of reading the room?

Major cost of living crisis, people are literally struggling to put food on the table and excuses/justifications include:

Can't increase benefits because 'computer says no'
Poor people just need to learn how to cook
Can't enforce a windfall tax on energy companies because they don't want us to


Even if any of those are true, even if that's what they think in private, don't say it out loud for fuck sake
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dishyrishi.exe has stopped working. Tried to allocate memory-0 bites available.
 
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stupot07

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  • May 13, 2022
  • #13,685
Ian1779 said:
No desire to do it or pressure on them when you have people like this in the media that embolden others to vote for them….

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The cunts have subsidised bar/restaurant in Westminster. Then they claim expenses for subsistence.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 
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