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fernandopartridge

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,616
Grendel said:
Most spending I assume comes from borrowing
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It does because the 'borrowing' is just a pretty safe and steady private sector investment in things like pensions, a good thing.
 

Ian1779

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,617
David O'Day said:
as i said no one sets policies in the reply to a budget speech

they have announced policies since then
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I’m not trying to be pedantic here but where exactly are these policies?

The point I am making here is that if they are there they aren’t obvious and they aren’t clear. I suppose you could argue the one off rebate by a windfall tax on energy companies is one, but even you must admit that it’s actually a really inadequate response.
Arguing you are more ‘fiscally responsible’ might be fine for those not needing to worry but it’s not doing the business for those that are in dire straits.
 

stupot07

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,618
I know its been posted twice but fuck me, what a cnut.

Can you imagine the right wing press if this was Diane Abbott.


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fernandopartridge

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,619
Gove has been on the wallop again
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,620
I reckon its the start of a secret tory cabinet bet..... try & get a Harry Enfield catchphrase into every TV interview....

So watch this space...for "loadsa money", "only me", "suits you sir" etc.

The outright winner would be if Sunak goes with "I'm considerably richer than yow" or "running the economy is very much like making love to a beautiful woman"...
 
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PVA

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,621
State of these pricks


 
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PVA

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,622
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I reckon its the start of a secret tory cabinet bet..... try & get a Harry Enfield catchphrase into every TV interview....

So watch this space...for "loadsa money", "only me", "suits you sir" etc.

The outright winner would be if Sunak goes with "I'm considerably richer than yow" or "running the economy is very much like making love to a beautiful woman"...
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This week I 'ave been mostly eating... Foie Gras
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,623
PVA said:
This week I 'ave been mostly eating... Foie Gras
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This week Elsie has mostly been eating once a day.
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,624
stupot07 said:
I know its been posted twice but fuck me, what a cnut.

Can you imagine the right wing press if this was Diane Abbott.


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What a patronising c**t.
 
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PVA

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,625
Oh we're back to the DON'T THEY KNOW THERE'S A WAR ON? stage of the cycle. Shameless pricks.

Amazing how Starmer shut the whole thing down with one very simple and obvious move and they have no retort whatsoever.


"Johnson ducks question on Starmer's offer to resign if fined over lockdown breaches, saying he wants to 'move beyond' that

At his press conference Boris Johnson was asked, for the first time in public, about Keir Starmer’s decision to say he will resign if fined by the police for breaking lockdown rules. Asked if that was the right thing to do, and if he was acting dishonourably by not resigning himself, Johnson just claimed he had move on from that. He replied:

We’ve moved, we’re trying to move beyond all that, we’re trying to focus on the issues that really, not least the war in Ukraine."
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,626
PVA said:
Oh we're back to the DON'T THEY KNOW THERE'S A WAR ON? stage of the cycle. Shameless pricks.

Amazing how Starmer shut the whole thing down with one very simple and obvious move and they have no retort whatsoever.


"Johnson ducks question on Starmer's offer to resign if fined over lockdown breaches, saying he wants to 'move beyond' that

At his press conference Boris Johnson was asked, for the first time in public, about Keir Starmer’s decision to say he will resign if fined by the police for breaking lockdown rules. Asked if that was the right thing to do, and if he was acting dishonourably by not resigning himself, Johnson just claimed he had move on from that. He replied:

We’ve moved, we’re trying to move beyond all that, we’re trying to focus on the issues that really, not least the war in Ukraine."
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I do like this idea that there is a time limit after which crimes become irrelevant. Not sure a court has the same view.
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,627
The arguments for dumping the NI protocol seems to be an ideological minority want it. It’s certainly isn’t economic reasoning

Northern Irish economy outperforming UK thanks to Brexit protocol: Experts

National Institute of Economic and Social Research says freedom to trade barrier-free with EU has ‘benefitted Northern Ireland post-Brexit.’
www.politico.eu

Maybe the UK as a whole should adopt the NI protocol as a tool for growing the economy to help with the cost of living.
 
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PVA

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,628
People actually vote for these scumbags


 
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PVA

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,629
People actually vote for these scumbags Part 2:








 
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shmmeee

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,630
PVA said:
People actually vote for these scumbags Part 2:








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Felton is a noncey prick but he’s spot on with thag first tweet.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,631
Reports Johnson wants to bin Rishi off and blame it all on him. Actually think he’s got a point. Johnson is fucking useless but his brand of politics has been hampered by a chancellor from 1982.
 

Grendel

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,632
shmmeee said:
Reports Johnson wants to bin Rishi off and blame it all on him. Actually think he’s got a point. Johnson is fucking useless but his brand of politics has been hampered by a chancellor from 1982.
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he could head hunt Rachel reeves and no one would know the difference
 
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Northants Sky Blue

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,633
Cummings casually dropping bombs on PM this afternoon. If he has evidence or swears to this...

 
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Philosoraptor

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,634
shmmeee said:
Reports Johnson wants to bin Rishi off and blame it all on him. Actually think he’s got a point. Johnson is fucking useless but his brand of politics has been hampered by a chancellor from 1982.
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There is no difference from any MP from any Party.

They all only have two concerns. The rest is just window dressing.

1.) How to get power.

2.) How to keep power.


When someone gets too powerful that threatens your reign, then it's time to unleash the dogs.
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,635
Philosorapter said:
There is no difference from any MP from any Party.

They all only have two concerns. The rest is just window dressing.

1.) How to get power.

2.) How to keep power.


When someone gets too powerful that threatens your reign, then it's time to unleash the dogs.
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If Mo Mowlam was still with us she’d probably agree with that 100%. Although she was a resounding success in her brief, I kind of think Sunak deserves fucking off.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,636
skybluetony176 said:
If Mo Mowlam was still with us she’d probably agree with that 100%. Although she was a resounding success in her brief, I kind of think Sunak deserves fucking off.
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It's from the first early modern political theory book, and it is unfortunately probably the last political theory book that most MPs from all sides have read.

 

shmmeee

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  • May 11, 2022
  • #13,637
Grendel said:
he could head hunt Rachel reeves and no one would know the difference
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Yes there is no difference between Keynesian and Thatcherite economics. Iamverysmart
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,638
Ha ha ha ha. Classic

 
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chiefdave

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,639
skybluetony176 said:
Ha ha ha ha. Classic

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Spies of course being well known for their openness, sure they will all willingly sign up to this.
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,640
skybluetony176 said:
Ha ha ha ha. Classic

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I wonder what that bill says about SoS for International Development running back channel talks with Foreign Governments?
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,641
David O'Day said:
I wonder what that bill says about SoS for International Development running back channel talks with Foreign Governments?
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You've got to begrudgingly admire the brass neck of these people.
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,642
They’re in such a mess over this and it’s all of their own making

 
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PVA

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,643
skybluetony176 said:
Ha ha ha ha. Classic

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Covert spies, as opposed to... overt spies?
 
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AOM

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,644
chiefdave said:
Spies of course being well known for their openness, sure they will all willingly sign up to this.
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The new James Bond script sounds rubbish
 
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PVA

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,645
Remember that story yesterday about the Tory mayor photographed smiling and laughing and the grand opening of a new food bank?

It gets worse.

Here's them tucking into a fucking BUFFET at a foodbank opening. I mean ffs.


 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,646
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Think it’s a new soundbite

‘Parisian elites’

So snobby towards the working man they’re snorting snails
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Let Them Be Ambushed With Cake
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,647
shmmeee said:
I mean it’s a binary question so one goes up one goes down. The one economic indicator they still lag massively on is ability to reduce the deficit.

Now you’ll say (rightly) that that shouldn’t be an economic indicator and it exposes a fundamental misunderstanding of macroeconomics in political and media circles which misinform the public. And I’ll say: live in the world we have not the one we want.

This I think is a problem a lot on the left struggle with. When faced with a system they disagree with they’d rather lose valiantly complaining about the system than accept it and make the best of a bad hand.

Examples include “defund the police”, modern economics, the press, etc. etc. outside of party politics the environmental movement basically fucked itself with this thinking “All we need to do is change how 7 billion people live, then we don’t need nuclear/electric cars/whatever”.
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While I agree about having to govern for the world we actually live in rather than the one we want to, there has to be a plan for change otherwise what's the point? If you just go with the way things are rather than should be we'd still have serfdoms and slavery. There has to be a plan to move onto.

And this is the problem. Massive change too quickly and society will struggle to cope with it all (especially as those with power and influence deliberatly try to prevent it's success), so incremental change is needed. But often incremental change doesn't go as fast as people want so they become dissillusioned and go back to the status quo. You can't win.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,648
Slight tangent here, but why don't we make corporation tax and income tax equivalent? Both exist legally, but only one is for living, sentient beings and the others is for the benefit of a select few of those beings, allowing them to have all the benefits of risk taking while removing much of the consequences (which instead will be felt more sharply by those with less as they bear the brunt with job losses and service cuts.

Yet the non-living entity has much more favourable taxation. It has higher allowances and tax bands. it only pays tax on it's income after expenses rather than it's gross income. If it makes losses it can carry these forward or back against future/past profits. People do not get these same benefits despite the fact that actually exist beyond a piece of paper and have feelings.

So let's make it that both people and companies pay tax at the same rate. Rather than having 20%+ tax, if both were taxed on gross income you could probably get that down to 5% basic as the increased take from companies would allow an offset against individual tax, and those people actually exist in more than just a legal sense.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,649
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
While I agree about having to govern for the world we actually live in rather than the one we want to, there has to be a plan for change otherwise what's the point? If you just go with the way things are rather than should be we'd still have serfdoms and slavery. There has to be a plan to move onto.

And this is the problem. Massive change too quickly and society will struggle to cope with it all (especially as those with power and influence deliberatly try to prevent it's success), so incremental change is needed. But often incremental change doesn't go as fast as people want so they become dissillusioned and go back to the status quo. You can't win.
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Massive change doesn’t happen in Parliament. It happens in the public. Parliament is always a step behind. Look at gay marriage, long hard campaign to change peoples minds at which point laws had to be changed.

Lot harder to do that with economics though. So you generally have to get elected on some broad strokes then make incremental steps. Thatcher is probably the best mode for large scale economic change, but it’s a lot easier to rip things down than build them up.
 
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PVA

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  • May 12, 2022
  • #13,650
Why is it that you can get chucked out the commons for calling the PM a liar (which is a fact), but are allowed to say people on the opposite benches defend murderers and paedophiles and not get pulled up on it?


 
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