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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,266
oakey said:
We love a liar but hate a hypocrite?

One openly f#c€s us over, makes and breaks rules and lies & blusters.
The other argues for a fairer society in a boring voice and makes a minor breach of the rules (allegedly) - has to go.

Then we will always be ruled by liars.
God help us all.
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I like you Oakey you speak my language
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,267
Grendel said:
Oddly as that’s within the law the same as him having been presented with a cake at a school - if there is something wrong with it what’s wrong with the other cake and a 9 minute stay at an event at a registered place of work?
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Problem with the place of work line is that there were people there that didn’t work in Downing Street. At least one didn’t even work for the government and was a friend of Carrie.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,268
Grendel said:
How many people here at a work place have cracked open the beers had a Ruby then “got back to work”?
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Every Friday lunchtime for about 10 years at one place of work.
 

Grendel

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,269
The rather dreadful Angela Thornberry pretty much said on Five Live the same as that toe rag Khan - namely you can’t compare these events as Starmer only did it once anyway

Awesome so as long as the murderer isn’t a serial killer you can take the high ground?
 
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PVA

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,270
Grendel said:
The rather dreadful Angela Thornberry pretty much said on Five Live the same as that toe rag Khan - namely you can’t compare these events as Starmer only did it once anyway

Awesome so as long as the murderer isn’t a serial killer you can take the high ground?
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Funny how you and fellow cap doffers take such an interest in parties now.

Remember when nobody cared about parties. Remember DON'T THEY KNOW THERE'S A WAR ON.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,271
PVA said:
Funny how you and fellow cap doffers take such an interest in parties now.

Remember when nobody cared about parties. Remember DON'T THEY KNOW THERE'S A WAR ON.
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Well oddly that was David Lammys line last Sunday when he claimed there were more important things than parties

Personally I couldn’t care if Starmer had a full on all you can eat curry with his mates and ended up drunk and in the sack with Red Ange (at least he’d acknowledge she was there then)

I also don’t care if Boris Johnson filled his face with Black Forest Gateau and washed it down with champers

It’s not me that’s made this an issue
 

Frostie

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,272


 

Grendel

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,273
PVA said:
The Met are so deeply in cahoots with the government it's disgusting.

I'm pretty confident that Durham police are only reopening this investigation because of intense pressure from the government and right wing media.
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Is it not the case that the Durham police have admitted that they in fact did not release this influenced voters? Staggering

Also as I’ve said Durham say they don’t take retrospective action against FPN offenders

In other words if Johnson ate his cake in Barnard Castle and was not caught at the time he’d have nothing but at worst a ticking off

I am getting the disturbing view the Met especially are playing politics and see labour as a much more preferable party than Patel and co

Disturbing times
 
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David O'Day

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,274
increased majority for labour in wakefield sets up the by election nicely
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,275
They should be painting murals of Boris in the Bogside
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,276
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They should be painting murals of Boris in the Bogside
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What percentage of the vote are Ourselves Alone projected to get
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,277
I hope this isn’t the new evidence.


Anyway, off out for a greasy one.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,278
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They should be painting murals of Boris in the Bogside
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Riding a Brexit bus.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,279
the mail knows the score
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,280
Oh dear DUP in terms of seats currently sitting fourth in the assembly.
 

Grendel

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,281
A greasy party I think is something Keith Vaz would know more about than most politicians
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,282
Grendel said:
What percentage of the vote are Ourselves Alone projected to get
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Probably enough to win in a place where they were once outlawed. As I have said before it is simply a matter of which nation secedes from the union first
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,283
Urban dictionary.

Looks like it was prearranged!

greasy

Adjective (negative). Used to describe any activity that involves spending too much money, drinking too much, doing too many drugs, hanging out with dregs of society people, and generally any activity that involves lowering one's standard and hindering one's progress.

"A greasy night out" - a night out that involves enormous expense and negative health consequences but very little pleasure as compensation. Typically occuring in London (because it's so expensive and overcrowded) a greasy night out would involve leaving the office at 6, downing 10 pints of Stella, spending fortunes on cabs to go to crap clubs where you queue outside for hours, then buy more overpriced drinks inside, stagger outside, may or may not visit a kebab house or a whore house, then get more expensive cabs home, and wake up in the morning to find you've lost you brand new Armani overcoat.

Can also be applied to other situations, such as greasy mates (one's friends who encourage the above, but have no means to pay for it so you must pay for them aswell. They act as a kind of grease multiplier).
What's the matter Andrew; why's your face green and you're so miserable?

Had a greasy night out last night in Oxford Street. It was filth. My greasy mates scabbed drinks off me all night and I had to pay for the cab.
by Mikee T October 6, 2006
 

Grendel

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,284
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Probably enough to win in a place where they were once outlawed. As I have said before it is simply a matter of which nation secedes from the union first
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I think it’s 29% - it’s irrelevant anyway as the government remains a zombie one

They were not outlawed once the treaty was signed and gave them legitimacy - that’s the reality and even just in a factor of birth rate they will get stronger

The agreement allows a referendum if Stormont want it I think every 7 years for independence- let them have it - let’s be honest economically we’d be better off if Eire propped them up. Let Sturgeon have one as well and see what happens but be very specific about the hard exit they would face.

Let them have their day abs see what happens
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,285
Grendel said:
I think it’s 29% - it’s irrelevant anyway as the government remains a zombie one

They were not outlawed once the treaty was signed and gave them legitimacy - that’s the reality and even just in a factor of birth rate they will get stronger

The agreement allows a referendum if Stormont want it I think every 7 years for independence- let them have it - let’s be honest economically we’d be better off if Eire propped them up. Let Sturgeon have one as well and see what happens but be very specific about the hard exit they would face.

Let them have their day abs see what happens
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Interesting that you’re that casual about the collapse of the union. Something we were told was a certainty if Comrade Corbyn became PM is in fact unfolding thanks to the Tories forcing something crap on the nations that didn’t want it.

The GFA calls for a poll if it’s believed that it would win on both sides, not necessarily just if Stormont want it. If NI or Scotland go then so will the other not long after and then really Wales has no point remaining attached to an English Tory rump.

At a time in the world when we need fewer countries and division instead of more we’re going to get the latter. And I did say this at the time
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,286
skybluetony176 said:
Oh dear DUP in terms of seats currently sitting fourth in the assembly.
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Back up to the dizzy heights of 3rd. APNI now second in it’s own right.
 

Grendel

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,287
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Interesting that you’re that casual about the collapse of the union. Something we were told was a certainty if Comrade Corbyn became PM is in fact unfolding thanks to the Tories forcing something crap on the nations that didn’t want it.

The GFA calls for a poll if it’s believed that it would win on both sides, not necessarily just if Stormont want it. If NI or Scotland go then so will the other not long after and then really Wales has no point remaining attached to an English Tory rump.

At a time in the world when we need fewer countries and division instead of more we’re going to get the latter. And I did say this at the time
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You said it but it’s rubbish as it won’t happen

The English government terms will be clear - WTO hard border Visa requirements no currency all on day one

There is zero chance wales would want it ever and if Scotland opt for it at least 48 out of 100 wouldn’t - but hey pound gone that day, WTO that day - work in England? Get a visa or find a job in your promised land. No subsidies no money - sounds fun
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,288
CCFCSteve said:
I’ve said before I’m talking solely about these two specific instances. My point is I expect the police to uphold the law in the same way whoever they are investigating and as I’ve said before, I bet there were no other workplace fines during lockdown because they would come down to interpretation

People eating together in the office or in the work canteen ? Speaking to each other about personal matters over a coffee ? Where are the lines ? Some would view it one way, others another. This might be proven by Durham police making a call previously and potentially now having to make a different decision due to the Mets FPN for Johnson and Sunak

So Starmer resigns, Rayner resigns…id imagine plenty of other MPs will also be wondering if anything could come up about them if they worked with others during lockdown as the bar has been set so low. I just don’t see that as beneficial for the country

Starmer should’ve waited until investigations were complete and then he’d probably have had more than enough evidence against Johnson to maintain the moral high ground especially if Johnsons is found to have lied to parliament…may not even have needed to call for resignation as i think a confidence vote will come with more fines/grays report
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This is a bit confusing. I'm talking about those two specific instances too.

The difference is that I'm entirely happy for the police and courts to make a judgement on whether the law has been broken, whereas you are seemingly making excuses for those who may have (or have) done it.

Boris has accepted he broke the law by paying the FPN, it really is that simple, so no grey area there.

Starmer denies breaking the law, but the police have a duty to investigate if there's evidence that suggests he might have. It may be a grey area to you, but politely it's not your or my opinion that counts. It's the police and the courts.

You keep insisting it's a low bar but it's precisely the bar set by Johnson and endorsed by Starmer. It's the rule that most people followed diligently, and in some cases at great personal cost.

I'd contend that's it's hugely beneficial for the country to see that no one is above the law, and that respecting the rule of law whilst in high public office is the absolute minimum required.

As for expecting the Conservatives to oust Johnson because he's caught in a lie, c'mon now. Look at what's already happened whilst he's been PM. Are you genuinely expecting Conservative MPs to suddenly find a sense of honour that is unrelated to their electoral concerns?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,289
Think we are going to regret not changing the first past the post system when we had the chance
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,290
shmmeee said:
I hope this isn’t the new evidence.


Anyway, off out for a greasy one.
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The advert was for a Zoom quiz.

Well the one I've seen anyway,not sure if there's another
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,291
Sky Blue Pete said:
Think we are going to regret not changing the first past the post system when we had the chance
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So you rather liked the Tory Lib Dem alliance?
 
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PVA

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,292
330 seats lost in England for the Tories so far.
 

Grendel

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,293
PVA said:
330 seats lost in England for the Tories so far.
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how terrible it was 1,300 last time - wonder what it would have been if Durham police hadn’t buried bad news
 

Evo1883

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,294
Grendel said:
how terrible it was 1,300 last time - wonder what it would have been if Durham police hadn’t buried bad news
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Is that 330 ontop of the 1300 last time ?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,295
Evo1883 said:
Is that 330 ontop of the 1300 last time ?
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It’s different seats but in truth it means nothing - turnout was pathetic

Here as a stat for you.

The share of the council vote for labour in 2018 was 36% - that was Corbyn in tbe abyss

Starmer has achieved 36% of the vote this time - the same as Corbyn
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,296
Grendel said:
It’s different seats but in truth it means nothing - turnout was pathetic

Here as a stat for you.

The share of the council vote for labour in 2018 was 36% - that was Corbyn in tbe abyss

Starmer has achieved 36% of the vote this time - the same as Corbyn
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The projections look bad for the tories , not saying it will happen but it's not looked this bad for them since coming back into power
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,297
Evo1883 said:
The projections look bad for the tories , not saying it will happen but it's not looked this bad for them since coming back into power
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They lost scores of seats in 2019 under May

Labour have hardly gained seats at all - Lib Dems have gained far more but come a general election you’d have to be on drugs to vote Ed Davy so the map will change

The real key is that no one hardly bothered to vote so really it’s hardly a ringing endorsement for anyone

Labour are now almost totally in charge of London and the Tory MPs there will of course be concerned and potentially rebel against Johnson but Starmer is such a damp squib as a leader - there’s no passion direction or anything
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,298
Grendel said:
So you rather liked the Tory Lib Dem alliance?
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It moderated the Tories a little. They were a pretty ineffectual partner though, and given a lot of thir votes were from disaffected Labour voters who thought the party weren't left enough, it was a pretty stupid coalition to go into.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,299
Deleted member 5849 said:
It moderated the Tories a little. They were a pretty ineffectual partner though, and given a lot of thir votes were from disaffected Labour voters who thought the party weren't left enough, it was a pretty stupid coalition to go into.
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Yes I’m sure many Lib Dems in the south would prefer labour to Tory
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 6, 2022
  • #13,300
If I can remember correctly, Coventry Labour have a meeting after each local election where they choose who is going to leader and deputy leader for the next election cycle.

Anyone heard anything yet?
 
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