David O'Day
Well-Known Member
they are doing well in the red wall compared to 2018 when the loses and gains will be against
i have already said this
Clint called it
they are doing well in the red wall compared to 2018 when the loses and gains will be against
they are doing well in the red wall compared to 2018 when the loses and gains will be against
i have already said this
And as well as the long anticipated Forde Inquiry for Labour coming up between now and the next local elections. I can't see this getting any better for Labour.
I would say currently, the Tories are at the bottom of their cycle. Labour are around the top of theirs.
Yeah it's grim. Dowden was just doubling down on cuts and taxes rises even though he accepts we will see double digit inflation and job loses caused by a recession.I'm by no means spinning on behalf of Starmer and all those right wing dullards around him but it could be a blessing in disguise to not be the visible local authority in the 'red wall' over the next few years, given the turbo charged austerity in the face of very high inflation that's due to come.
Last paragraph I completely agree with and am very sensitive to echo chambersDo you not realise that the shouty pile ons attemping to oppress any views that aren't your own, are in part responsible for the more stubborn to likely to nail their colours to the mast.
Some of the racists rightly excluded from the site, but so little argument from anyone right of centre now on here, that this has become so much an echo chamber now and increasingly futile swimming against the tide.
Fwiw my take on yesterday's polling ... I'd say what's happening after the perceived issues with the government, that the general apathy in voters even now not motivated enough to get out and vote should worry you more than those who did vote Conservative.
Was thinking the same. Labour took some bashing at the last GE because of perceived failures at local level. Didn’t matter that it was a Tory central government enforcing austerity cuts that Labour councils had to make the tough decisions with. It’s going to be difficult to blame Labour when the local and national government are the people you voted in are the ones making the cuts.I'm by no means spinning on behalf of Starmer and all those right wing dullards around him but it could be a blessing in disguise to not be the visible local authority in the 'red wall' over the next few years, given the turbo charged austerity in the face of very high inflation that's due to come.
As I have grenners on block I can only guess what drivel he is coming up with.
I bet the old soak has already is already half cut and ranting on about Gerry Adams or some such shit.
Get a job Grenners (not that pretend one you made up in Marketing)
doing badly everywhere outside london
Curtice is comparing 2018 to 2018
200+ seat loss is win-win:
-Tories will stick with Johnson who come 2024 is an even bigger liability.
-Refocus Labour minds that economy will win GE (windfall tax etc) & ignore laughable culture war goading
Also cant see Tories keeping trousers on to avoid further by-elections, potentially giving Burnham a shot
Bunham is a conundrum to me.200+ seat loss is win-win:
-Tories will stick with Johnson who come 2024 is an even bigger liability.
-Refocus Labour minds that economy will win GE (windfall tax etc) & ignore laughable culture war goading
Also cant see Tories keeping trousers on to avoid further by-elections, potentially giving Burnham a shot
I just want them to offer something, not the offer of not being something else. Define what you're going to give the country. They're just so bland and lifeless at the moment. Maybe it's a brilliant strategy to appear calm and confident during this government's madness and will come good when it matters but it really isn't for me.
Do you not realise that the shouty pile ons attemping to oppress any views that aren't your own, are in part responsible for the more stubborn to likely to nail their colours to the mast.
Some of the racists rightly excluded from the site, but so little argument from anyone right of centre now on here, that this has become so much an echo chamber now and increasingly futile swimming against the tide.
Fwiw my take on yesterday's polling ... I'd say what's happening after the perceived issues with the government, that the general apathy in voters even now not motivated enough to get out and vote should worry you more than those who did vote Conservative.
It’s because generally the reason for voting for conservative is ‘they make me and my family better off’ and most people don’t want to admit other people and other issues don’t matter to them.Pointing out things like hypocrisy and corruption aren't a shouty pile on.
My take on it is that the reason most average Tory voters are a bit shy about admitting it on open forums is that they can't face genuine debate.
At best they can come up with a few (generally spurious or ad hominem) reasons for not voting Labour, but their reasons for voting Tory are either vague or based on arguments that don't stand up to much scrutiny.
Once exposed, rather than modify their opinion it's easier to shout 'cancel culture' and disappear.
Stubborness is a pretty weak excuse for voting Conservative or indeed for any party, but I'd completely agree that it seems to trump rational analysis for a lot of voters.
John PrescottChoose your fighter:
“Labour lead on vote share in an election for the first time in a decade = Labours back”
“Labour has recovered in red wall compared to 2019 = Labours on the way back”
“Labour has gone slightly back outside London compared to 2017 = Labours in decline”
“Labour haven’t won 800 seats = Labour is fucked”
Yup and as long as the Tories can get enough people to think like this, they'll get back in. Other Tory policies are just lip service, these are the voters they're concerned with.It’s because generally the reason for voting for conservative is ‘they make me and my family better off’ and most people don’t want to admit other people and other issues don’t matter to them.
John Prescott
It’s because generally the reason for voting for conservative is ‘they make me and my family better off’ and most people don’t want to admit other people and other issues don’t matter to them.
Yup and as long as the Tories can get enough people to think like this, they'll get back in. Other Tory policies are just lip service, these are the voters they're concerned with.
It’s because generally the reason for voting for conservative is ‘they make me and my family better off’ and most people don’t want to admit other people and other issues don’t matter to them.
He can frame it as him against the establishment and the cap doffers will fall for it.Rumours abound that Boris wants a snap GE this year because things are only going to get worse for the economy.
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