But regardless of what you think about Starmer, if you think he isn't left leaning enough, or if you think Corbyn is better... Labour with Starmer is clearly preferable to the Tories.
So if the three choices are:
A) vote Tory
B) vote Labour
C) none of the above because you don't like Starmer/he's not Jeremy Corbyn, most likely resulting in a Tory government
Why would you choose C? That's just cutting your nose off to spite your face.
He won't learn if he does that and gets the votes anyway.
OK let's not vote for him to teach him a lesson then.
... And while he learns his lesson the whole country suffers under the Tories. Again.
Edit: yeah if the greens have a chance then by all means vote for them
Here I think they will. All I'm asking for is more than 'he isn't Boris'
I get that. We'd all like more.
But at the moment just not being Boris is better than Boris. So that's our best option. Otherwise it's Boris again.
And that in a nutshell is why if it was up to me I'd have emigrated a few years back
It is OK to criticise the psychotic Israeli government. That does not make you anti semetic.No she wanted Boris Johnson to win the election
I assume you voted for the - according to you - the anti Semite mr Corbyn
If it did it would mean masses Orthodox Jews and all ultra-orthodox Jews are anti semitic. Most of who see the mere creation of the Israeli state as a direct threat to god. That’s how ridiculous it is to attach criticism of Israel to being some sort of anti semite.It is OK to criticise the psychotic Israeli government. That does not make you anti semetic
Austerity is entirely incompatible with a vibrant economy, where the fuck do these people think money originates from? It doesn't come out of thin air from we entrepreneursThis is basically 'we aren't doing anything more to ease the cost of living crisis, but let's at least pretend we are'.
Wankers.
And of course Corbyn et al should have done similar... and so it goes on, while the Tories laugh and win.
We've not even started to get the GE machine in swing yet being mid-term and after all that's gone on and the hatred for Boris and all things Tory, partygate, the pandemic etc etc, polls still show that Starmer would still need the SNP to prop up his government. It's a telling indictment.
I'd be amazed if there isn't a minimum of a hung parliament although expect a Conservative majority, albeit smaller margin than 2019. I certainly wouldn't be lumping any hard earned on a Labour victory at this moment in time.
And nowhere are the voters mentioned.
A Labour majority would require the greatest swing in history pretty much. You don’t come back from a defeat like 2019 in one shot even with a Tony Blair face mask and a one way ticket to 1996.
The fantasy you guys have about being cucked by the SNP is bollocks though. They’ll vote against the Tories or they’ll get eaten alive by their voter base so no need for any deals.
If it’s Johnson vs Starmer my moneys on a Labour minority govt at the moment. Polling is all very positive, lots of don’t knows among women who are likely to break Labour as well as strong personal ratings and issue rating like best PM and best on economy too.
The fact that we’re possibly two years off and you and Grendel are already in damage control mode shows how well Starmers done TBH.
So Smarmer will lose but lose ‘well’ like Corbyn did in 2017 and it will be hailed as a triumph, also like Corbyn. Exciting times.
With the small difference that he’d be PM and have the ability to deliver a Labour legislative program, yes. Other than that just like Corbyn.
With the small difference that he’d be PM and have the ability to deliver a Labour legislative program, yes. Other than that just like Corbyn.
Even in this fantasy scenario of a minority government he’s still beholden to the SNP and perhaps the Lib Dems. Assuming of course that he wouldn’t have any rebels in his own party.
Exciting.
Even in this fantasy scenario of a minority government he’s still beholden to the SNP and perhaps the Lib Dems. Assuming of course that he wouldn’t have any rebels in his own party.
Exciting.
Which will require him to agree a vote on Scottish independence and probably in the interim have Ian Blackford in the cabinet
If by fantasy scenario you mean “what the seat predictors are showing based on current polling”, then yes.
What Labour policies do you see the LDs and SNP rejecting exactly?
You really are taking this sulk to the next level.
If by fantasy scenario you mean “what the seat predictors are showing based on current polling”, then yes.
What Labour policies do you see the LDs and SNP rejecting exactly?
You really are taking this sulk to the next level.
Do you need a primer in U.K. politics and what a minority government means and how it’s different from a coalition?
Take Sturgeon and and give her independence. Not only damaging the economy and breaking up the union, but will be unforgivable, not to mention the reduced seats in the house meaning you can look forward to 20 years of Conservative government to follow.
Rule Britannia
I mean you have some brass neck yourself talking about the union when the ruling party has destabilised it on an unholy scale.
I doubt the Scot’s would ever cross the line anyway whoever is in charge of Westminster and the SNP only really have had prominence due to labours collapse there.
It’s not really the issue. Starmer somehow has to defend a policy of no referendum against an SNP who will say they will not support a minority government unless they give her exactly that.
Funnily enough in that scenario I doubt the tories would care. Minority governments propped up by other parties tends to end very very badly
The SNP would demand a referendum and Starmer I’m sure has said no so there’s a policy difference for a start - and a pretty big one
Funnily enough in that scenario I doubt the tories would care. Minority governments propped up by other parties tends to end very very badly
So what? They’d demand and then what? As I say if they vote with the Tories they won’t have many voters left.
You and BSB seem to be concocting this fantasy scenario where apparently SNP, LD and a bunch of Labour backbenchers conspire to bring down a Labour government and install the Tories because…Starmer isn’t Corbyn??
You taken your meds today?
I'd take that vote. With a Labour govt it means staying in the Union would almost certainly win, and then we'd see the decline of the SNP with no real purpose to them.Which will require him to agree a vote on Scottish independence and probably in the interim have Ian Blackford in the cabinet
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