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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 20, 2022
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Apr 20, 2022
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I know Boris is a clown, but I'm just watching that Angela Rayner on TV, and there is just something about her that I dislike, Not sure how much of a benchmark I am, but I'm really not sure I'd be putting her in front of the cameras so often, as I'm (partly) convinced that she won't help swing votes the Labour party's way. As I say, may just be me!
 
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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,498
Sky Blue Harry H said:
I know Boris is a clown, but I'm just watching that Angela Rayner on TV, and there is just something about her that I dislike, Not sure how much of a benchmark I am, but I'm really not sure I'd be putting her in front of the cameras so often, as I'm (partly) convinced that she won't help swing votes the Labour party's way. As I say, may just be me!
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Needs someone to call Johnson a twat however.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,499
Is it just misogyny?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,500
skybluetony176 said:
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Wonder why people can’t see the competency of Yvette cooper
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,501
Sky Blue Pete said:
Is it just misogyny?
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Just a question? A strong confident woman often hackles people.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,502
Sky Blue Harry H said:
I know Boris is a clown, but I'm just watching that Angela Rayner on TV, and there is just something about her that I dislike, Not sure how much of a benchmark I am, but I'm really not sure I'd be putting her in front of the cameras so often, as I'm (partly) convinced that she won't help swing votes the Labour party's way. As I say, may just be me!
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Because she doesn't speak with a plum in her mouth?

That seems to be a key criteria for a lot of voters.

Posh voice = they should be ruling me
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,503
Got to be honest I cringe at Rayner as well.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,504
shmmeee said:
Got to be honest I cringe at Rayner as well.
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Can you unpack why?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,505
Sky Blue Pete said:
Can you unpack why?
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Bit of intellectual snobbery (when she was shad Ed I couldn’t stand having an education Secretary who couldn’t spell basic words), bit of not actually agreeing with her at times. She’s working class but doesn’t actually represent the working class from what I’ve seen, being more woke activist and less straight talking like Prescott who she’s often likened to.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,506
Sky Blue Pete said:
Just a question? A strong confident woman often hackles people.
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like Priti Patel?
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,507
Grendel said:
like Priti Patel?
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She is neither strong nor confident. Just a vile, hateful person.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,508
Grendel said:
like Priti Patel?
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Someone who’s introducing policies that would have kept her own parents out of the country with such glee. Think it’s pretty obvious why she’s disliked.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,509
Grendel said:
like Priti Patel?
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Could be and could also be race with her. Could also be the fact that she enacts policies that one may find abhorrent
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,510
Sky Blue Pete said:
Could be and could also be race with her. Could also be the fact that she enacts policies that one may find abhorrent
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I have to say i don’t see male female I see person but I am aware of other prejudices I bring to these discussions or lazy generalisations
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,511
PVA said:
She is neither strong nor confident. Just a vile, hateful person.
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Bit harsh on Angela
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,512
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Got a lot of time for Stewart. Would probably disagree with a lot of how he'd want to do things but you feel he's genuine and someone you could work with
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He's a wanker
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,513
fernandopartridge said:
He's a wanker
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He’s a really weird oddball
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,514
Grendel said:
He’s a really weird oddball
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Indeed: an intelligent, compassionate Tory.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,515
shmmeee said:
Indeed: an intelligent, compassionate Tory.
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Yep that’s right
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,516
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wonder why people can’t see the competency of Yvette cooper
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Yep. if we saw & heard far less from nowhere man Starmer & his sidekicks Rayner & Reeves, and instead heard a lot more from the likes of Burnham, Cooper & Nandy.........then we may at least have some sort of opposition with a hint of credibility....
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,517
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wonder why people can’t see the competency of Yvette cooper
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She was sooo uninspiring in her leadership bid. Very managerial and very stuck in New Labour ways of thinking. Got very frustrated with her answer for low paid workers being “train for a high tech job” as if no one will ever be needed to clean toilets and sweep streets and we can all be web developers.

New Labours big mistake for me was thinking we could make the entire country Uni grads with uni grad wages instead of what they did which is devalue education and flood the market with worthless grads being overqualified for the same jobs.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,518
Grendel said:
Bit harsh on Angela
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Wow absolute zinger
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,519
shmmeee said:
Indeed: an intelligent, compassionate Tory.
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As Tories go he's one of the better ones but sadly had no chance against Johnson. Far too sensible for the Tories.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,520
shmmeee said:
She was sooo uninspiring in her leadership bid. Very managerial and very stuck in New Labour ways of thinking. Got very frustrated with her answer for low paid workers being “train for a high tech job” as if no one will ever be needed to clean toilets and sweep streets and we can all be web developers.

New Labours big mistake for me was thinking we could make the entire country Uni grads with uni grad wages instead of what they did which is devalue education and flood the market with worthless grads being overqualified for the same jobs.
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She shines in the current climate
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,521
shmmeee said:
She was sooo uninspiring in her leadership bid. Very managerial and very stuck in New Labour ways of thinking. Got very frustrated with her answer for low paid workers being “train for a high tech job” as if no one will ever be needed to clean toilets and sweep streets and we can all be web developers.

New Labours big mistake for me was thinking we could make the entire country Uni grads with uni grad wages instead of what they did which is devalue education and flood the market with worthless grads being overqualified for the same jobs.
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Did you vote for Corbyn and starmer?
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,522
Sky Blue Pete said:
Did you vote for Corbyn and starmer?
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Yep. With Smith in between cos even though he was awful the damage Corbyn was doing was clear by then.

To be honest, Burnham aside, it’s been slim pickings for Labour leaders. And even he was far less impressive before he went off to become mayor.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,523
shmmeee said:
Yep. With Smith in between cos even though he was awful the damage Corbyn was doing was clear by then.

To be honest, Burnham aside, it’s been slim pickings for Labour leaders. And even he was far less impressive before he went off to become mayor.
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Sorry, no. I voted for Nandy with Starmer second.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,524
Sky Blue Pete said:
She shines in the current climate
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She does and would be a better managerial moderate candidate than Starmer. Get the feeling after losing in 2015 she’d had enough though.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,525
Sky Blue Harry H said:
I know Boris is a clown, but I'm just watching that Angela Rayner on TV, and there is just something about her that I dislike, Not sure how much of a benchmark I am, but I'm really not sure I'd be putting her in front of the cameras so often, as I'm (partly) convinced that she won't help swing votes the Labour party's way. As I say, may just be me!
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She is someone that is quite abrasive. Someone you definitely only want to deal with in small doses as it'd get tiresome. Doesn't necessarily come off as being professional all the time and no doubt some would be put off by the accent. I do quite like that fire in her belly though.

I can see why the party would pick her as deputy to the understated Starmer though. Mash the two together and you'd probably have a half decent leader.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,526
Whether you like his politics/policies or not, this is just outstanding.

The way he commands total silence with the John Robinson story.

And if that story doesn't move you, well then you're dead inside.


 
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PVA

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,527
Lying in the Commons again.

But of course if you call him a liar you get chucked out.


 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,528
We’re blaming what David Blunkett said in 2004 now.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,529
skybluetony176 said:
We’re blaming what David Blunkett said in 2004 now.
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He's absolutely lost the plot
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 20, 2022
  • #12,530
The excellent Dan Hodges

 
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