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Frostie

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,216
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,217
chiefdave said:
In completely not surprising news, unlike the council to not properly scrutinise things

6,000-job Midland 'gigafactory' could go to the North East

Losing the planned gigafactory would be a huge blow to the Midlands region
www.birminghammail.co.uk

Damning report casts doubt on plans for huge 6,000-job factory

It comes after reports that the West Midlands could miss out as Jaguar Land Rover considers a deal that would see batteries manufactured in Teeside
www.birminghammail.co.uk
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Not good news for the region at all if we miss out on this.
 

Mcbean

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,218
Tough crowd in today !
 
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AOM

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,219
Apparently Jeremy Corbyn is to blame for Boris breaking the rules he himself put in place

 
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Terry_dactyl

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,220
Mcbean said:
While Boris and his buddies have been caught red handed and some action is required - The concept of Keir Starmer ( who can’t make a decision to save his life ) and his colleagues is impossible for me to consider - bovver girl , Diane Abbot and a hovering Corbyn would be worse for this country than our current predicament
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What are you talking about? Nobody is saying get rid of these people and replace them with Labour/Starmer. They are the incumbent government. If you don’t want Labour to get in don’t vote for them at the next election…that’s why we have elections.
This nothing to do with party politics, elections etc.
Johnson was voted in by the electorate, and as part of that was expected to uphold his position to a certain standard ie not break the laws his government implemented, not lie to the people/parliament etc etc.
 
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Mcbean

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,221
Terry_dactyl said:
What are you talking about? Nobody is saying get rid of these people and replace them with Labour/Starmer. They are the incumbent government. If you don’t want Labour to get in don’t vote for them at the next election…that’s why we have elections.
This nothing to do with party politics, elections etc.
Johnson was voted in by the electorate, and as part of that was expected to uphold his position to a certain standard ie not break the laws his government implemented, not lie to the people/parliament etc etc.
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Very True but for the muppets on LBC - Radio 5 etc I have to turn it off

Pandemic not over , war not over , fuel issues for years , net zero target with no crystal ball going to be a tough time for whoever is in charge of the country
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,222
I’m old enough to remember when the will of the people was all that mattered. In other news

 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,223
Mcbean said:
Very True but for the muppets on LBC - Radio 5 etc I have to turn it off

Pandemic not over , war not over , fuel issues for years , net zero target with no crystal ball going to be a tough time for whoever is in charge of the country
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We're not at war FFS!
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,224
AOM said:
Apparently Jeremy Corbyn is to blame for Boris breaking the rules he himself put in place

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Sound like Gove talking whilst holding his nose
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,225
Mcbean said:
Very True but for the muppets on LBC - Radio 5 etc I have to turn it off

Pandemic not over , war not over , fuel issues for years , net zero target with no crystal ball going to be a tough time for whoever is in charge of the country
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Yes it's a tough time for whoever is in charge.

So why not have someone vaguely competent rather than allowing someone who breaks their own laws to continue just because it's a 'difficult time'?
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,226
Oddchecker has guess who as favourite for the next Tory leader.

 
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Marty

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,227
PVA said:
Yes it's a tough time for whoever is in charge.

So why not have someone vaguely competent rather than allowing someone who breaks their own laws to continue just because it's a 'difficult time'?
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The problem we have, is that there is no one even vaguely competent, from either side. Anyone who could actually do a good job will just end up working in the private sector for 5 times as much.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,228
Imagine if Neville Chamberlain had been allowed to stay in power when we were actually in a British boots on the ground, British aircraft in the skies and British boats at sea war.

I think I’m right in saying that Chamberlain’s approval rating was higher at his time of resignation than Boris’ currently is.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,229
Marty said:
The problem we have, is that there is no one even vaguely competent, from either side. Anyone who could actually do a good job will just end up working in the private sector for 5 times as much.
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Whilst I agree with your overall point I would argue that anyone who hasn't broken the law (laws they themselves set) is by default better than what we have currently.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,230
Philosorapter said:
Oddchecker has guess who as favourite for the next Tory leader.

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It’s no wonder the aliens think we are primitive species that should be ignored.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,231
Philosorapter said:
Oddchecker has guess who as favourite for the next Tory leader.

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I think she’d be crucified by any of the other candidates in the debates so unless they all step aside like they did with May I can’t see it.

Interestingly the favourites are/were all remainers.
 

Tommo1993

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,232
Thought it was indefensible. Astonished to be reading what I am on here, fucking hell.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,233
Deleted member 5849 said:
Not even that. The good of the Tory Party is getting an honourable, honest leader whose priority is to put the good of the country first.
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Pure politics as sports.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,234
shmmeee said:
Pure politics as sports.
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There's nothing amoral as what a lot of politicians/councillors are.
 

Mcbean

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,235
PVA said:
Yes it's a tough time for whoever is in charge.

So why not have someone vaguely competent rather than allowing someone who breaks their own laws to continue just because it's a 'difficult time'?
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Ok slam dunk - can you name some likely lads and lasses and don’t say Keir Abstamer
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,236
Mcbean said:
Ok slam dunk - can you name some likely lads and lasses and don’t say Keir Abstamer
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You're missing the point (probably deliberately).

Nobody is saying there is an abundance of great choices.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,237
PVA said:
You're missing the point (probably deliberately).

Nobody is saying there is an abundance of great choices.
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How about Ian Paisely Jnr?

Hasn't broken any laws so I assume better than the current occupier
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,238
Marty said:
The problem we have, is that there is no one even vaguely competent, from either side. Anyone who could actually do a good job will just end up working in the private sector for 5 times as much.
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Plenty but they don’t play the game well enough
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,239
Mcbean said:
Ok slam dunk - can you name some likely lads and lasses and don’t say Keir Abstamer
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Jeremy Hunt would be a huge step up. Zahawi is fucking awful and thick as shit but would be more competent. As long as you stay away from the Dorries/Truss/ERG lot it’ll be a step up in honesty and competence. Not a massive step up but you’ll take what you can get.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,240
Philosorapter said:
There's nothing amoral as what a lot of politicians/councillors are.
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Im sure there’s a sentence in there somewhere. Keep at it.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,241
shmmeee said:
Jeremy Hunt would be a huge step up. Zahawi is fucking awful and thick as shit but would be more competent. As long as you stay away from the Dorries/Truss/ERG lot it’ll be a step up in honesty and competence. Not a massive step up but you’ll take what you can get.
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Current favourites are

Liz Truss 6-1
Tom Tugenhat 9-1
Jeremy Hunt 9-1
Ben Wallace 10-1

All except Truss would be a massive step up in quality (not saying much given how low the bar is) and as far as the Conservatives are concerned all campaigned remain which is going to be a benefit to the Conservatives come the next GE as non were involved in leave campaign unicorn so will at least be able to be clean of that.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,242
skybluetony176 said:
Current favourites are

Liz Truss 6-1
Tom Tugenhat 9-1
Jeremy Hunt 9-1
Ben Wallace 10-1

All except Truss would be a massive step up in quality (not saying much given how low the bar is) and as far as the Conservatives are concerned all campaigned remain which is going to be a benefit to the Conservatives come the next GE as non were involved in leave campaign unicorn so will at least be able to be clean of that.
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Jeremy hunt the best of those but he handled the junior dr stuff so badly
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,243
shmmeee said:
Jeremy Hunt would be a huge step up. Zahawi is fucking awful and thick as shit but would be more competent. As long as you stay away from the Dorries/Truss/ERG lot it’ll be a step up in honesty and competence. Not a massive step up but you’ll take what you can get.
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Hunt ideologically would be awful. basically would dismantle public services and privatise the lot. Wrote a huge paper about why the NHS should be privatised.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,244
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Hunt ideologically would be awful. basically would dismantle public services and privatise the lot. Wrote a huge paper about why the NHS should be privatised.
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Nonsense again
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,245
Grendel said:
Nonsense again
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Which bit? He absolutely wrote papers on dismantling the nhs. I’d take as close to an honest and honourable Tory leader as one can get over Boris
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,246
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Hunt ideologically would be awful. basically would dismantle public services and privatise the lot. Wrote a huge paper about why the NHS should be privatised.
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I mean they’re all Tories. There’s no good choices but there’s some who aren’t possible foreign assets, dishonest, incompetent, etc.

Also the Tories know damn well the public wouldnt stand for their more mental ideas.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,247
Sky Blue Pete said:
Which bit? He absolutely wrote papers on dismantling the nhs. I’d take as close to an honest and honourable Tory leader as one can get over Boris
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The bit he is going to privatise the NHS without any approved policy and any consent in parliament - he is just DOING IT
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,248
Grendel, given one poster's very personal story yesterday do you not think your, no doubt in your mind hilarious, new avatar is a bit tasteless?

You always show your true colours when your heroes come under fire. Fucking disgusting tbh.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,249
PVA said:
Grendel, given one poster's very personal story yesterday do you not think your, no doubt in your mind hilarious, new avatar is a bit tasteless?

You always show your true colours when your heroes come under fire. Fucking disgusting tbh.
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Mr Johnson is not my hero.

It is however symbolic of our times and frankly if you want to looks at tasteless avatars look somewhere else

I will change to the other cake picture which is on every national newspaper if you wish

Tastless avatar clue below

 

Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2022
  • #12,250
Also on the NHS privatisation (whatever that actually means) can anyone honestly say if Hunt proposed what Wes Streeting has they would not be saying its a sign of the party privatising the NHS?
 
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