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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,481
PVA said:
The poorest just need to go out and get a higher paid job, buy a car & fill it up with fuel and buy a solar panel to get the benefits of this budget.
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Yep nothing stopping that in the next couple of weeks
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,482
PVA said:
What is wrong with this c**t


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He wasn’t listening
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,483
shmmeee said:
The lowest paid don’t pay NIC in the first place, threshold increases disproportionately help the better off, as analysis has been showing since they started this in 2010.

If you want to help the poorest you do it through the benefits system, that’s what it’s there for. But Tories are ideologically opposed to the benefits system so will keep doing wasteful measures that are poorly targeted use of funds. The £20 uplift is almost the exact same cost as the NI threshold increase, but most of the benefit goes to richer households.

Same with raising NIC but cutting IT, it basically protects pensioners and those that earn their income outside of standard wages, again I’m sure it’s a complete coincidence these align with Tory voter demographics.

I’m not sure that’s responsible use of funds at the moment. Unless of course your aim isn’t to spend money to alleviate suffering but to give cash to your voters.
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No, not the very poorest/unemployed but everyone working full time and a lot of part time will be paying NIC so I’m sure those on lower wages will appreciate the rise in threshold from 9k to 12.75k. It was the right thing to do

Note - I advocated UC uplift as well as threshold rise
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,484
ORB of the back of the budget are predicting the biggest fall in living standards since records began 70 years ago. Still, they’ve been rising the last 14 years, no… wait. They’ve been falling the last 14 years.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,485
skybluetony176 said:
ORB of the back of the budget are predicting the biggest fall in living standards since records began 70 years ago. Still, they’ve been rising the last 14 years, no… wait. They’ve been falling the last 14 years.
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To be fair we’ve had a financial crash and a pandemic to contend with. What is totally unacceptable is that during this period the super rich have been coining it in
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,486
CCFCSteve said:
No, not the very poorest/unemployed but everyone working full time and a lot of part time will be paying NIC so I’m sure those on lower wages will appreciate the rise in threshold from 9k to 12.75k. It was the right thing to do

Note - I advocated UC uplift as well as threshold rise
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Its just a very wasteful way of achieving your aims. If you’ve got £6bn to spend, far better to uplift UC than raise the NIC threshold. Of course it’s better than nothing, but that’s a very low bar to judge against.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,487
Sky Blue Pete said:
He wasn’t listening
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Flirting with Rayner. Can’t help himself
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,488
This was such an open goal for them to do something to help people out and gain a big boost in the polls. And this is what we get?

They're so tone deaf sometimes. Though not surprising from the people that didn't want to feed hungry kids during the pandemic.

There's a bit of a break for the people who don't need it, but will get by, And nothing for the very worst off.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,489
PVA said:
This was such an open goal for them to do something to help people out and gain a big boost in the polls. And this is what we get?

They're so tone deaf sometimes. Though not surprising from the people that didn't want to feed hungry kids during the pandemic.

There's a bit of a break for the people who don't need it, but will get by, And nothing for the very worst off.
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Pretty sure Rishi would say there are food banks and charities to help them
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,490
CCFCSteve said:
To be fair we’ve had a financial crash and a pandemic to contend with. What is totally unacceptable is that during this period the super rich have been coining it in
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We haven’t had 14 years of stagnation that’s led to falling living standards because of the crash though, we’ve had it because of the failed austerity project that caused stagnation while slashing services giving living standards a double whammy. Obviously covid couldn’t be helped but because of government incompetence we had the biggest financial hit of the G8. The had the fastest growth doesn’t wash either because A) We had to and B) most G8 economies are either back to where they were before the pandemic or better off, we’re still playing catch up.

Agree with your comments about the wealthy. Which only makes it more perverse that yet again it’s the poorest being asked to pay. In terms of the NI increase it’s a double payment as we’re being asked to pay again for the cuts of austerity.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,491
Deleted member 5849 said:
Now's the time to renationalise energy companies btw - save them from themselves
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Some tory on 5live has just inadvertently made the case for this by trying to defend them not introducing a windfall tax.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,492
CCFCSteve said:
To be fair we’ve had a financial crash and a pandemic to contend with. What is totally unacceptable is that during this period the super rich have been coining it in
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Do financial crashes count now?
Fairly sure the tories didn't give Brown any leeway.
When, after 12 years, are they going to stop blaming others?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,493
CCFCSteve said:
To be fair we’ve had a financial crash and a pandemic to contend with. What is totally unacceptable is that during this period the super rich have been coining it in
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It's by design, the party you vote for wants it that way, believes or pretends to believe in rubbish like the trickle down effect.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,494
skybluetony176 said:
We haven’t had 14 years of stagnation that’s led to falling living standards because of the crash though, we’ve had it because of the failed austerity project that caused stagnation while slashing services giving living standards a double whammy. Obviously covid couldn’t be helped but because of government incompetence we had the biggest financial hit of the G8. The had the fastest growth doesn’t wash either because A) We had to and B) most G8 economies are either back to where they were before the pandemic or better off, we’re still playing catch up.

Agree with your comments about the wealthy. Which only makes it more perverse that yet again it’s the poorest being asked to pay. In terms of the NI increase it’s a double payment as we’re being asked to pay again for the cuts of austerity.
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Think that’s a little one eyed. I think austerity went on for too long but going into 2010 election Labour were also proposing brutal cuts. Austerity would’ve happened whoever had won, the world economy was in meltdown.

Also, we’re not playing catch up with the economy now. I think we’re 0.8% above pre pandemic levels and doing better than a fair few others inc Germany. A lot of this was to do with the initial speed of the vaccines roll out (ignore JOB the key was getting older adults protected asap, then booster roll out, not jabbing kids) and also then what was at the time as ballsy move pre Xmas to keep things openish. The furlough scheme was also widely acknowledged as something that protected the economy and jobs. Fernando posted an interesting and balanced article about Covid responses the other week which is worth a read.

You make some fair points but need to be a bit more balanced. Appreciate that the government can fuck up and do plenty of stuff you, I and others may not like but they will also makes some decent calls as well. It’s only right that both are acknowledged
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,495
fernandopartridge said:
It's by design, the party you vote for wants it that way, believes or pretends to believe in rubbish like the trickle down effect.
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I’ve said before numerous times don’t confuse me holding a balanced view on politics as me being a dyed in the wool Tory voter. I’m probably as down the middle as they come and have voted for both main parties equally.

If you have a look at what steps the government has taken over the past couple of years there has been plenty of left leaning policies, which were needed and did the job. People refuse to acknowledge them though

Ps you say it’s by design, it’s not at all, many of these people and businesses are outside of National tax regimes.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,496
clint van damme said:
Do financial crashes count now?
Fairly sure the tories didn't give Brown any leeway.
When, after 12 years, are they going to stop blaming others?
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From memory the issue raised at the time of the financial crash was that during a sustained period of growth preceding it nothing was saved/surpluses built up so when the shit hit the fan there was nothing to fall back on. Even if there had been it would’ve been a drop in the ocean with what happened
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,497
The depressing thing about all this is that people will die because of this cost of living crisis but in 2 years time Rishi will announce some tax cuts and tell everyone that the Tories are the responsible party, the party that cuts taxes – don’t vote Labour they will only put taxes up! – and the people will lap it up.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,498
PVA said:
The depressing thing about all this is that people will die because of this cost of living crisis but in 2 years time Rishi will announce some tax cuts and tell everyone that the Tories are the responsible party, the party that cuts taxes – don’t vote Labour they will only put taxes up! – and the people will lap it up.
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I’m not convinced. Whatever the government does there is going to be a continued cost of living squeeze over next couple of years. That coupled with Tory governments for 13-14 years and Labour just need to be credible at the next election and they should have a good chance of winning. The problem will be they will need to rely on SNP to govern and whatever that might entail
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,499
CCFCSteve said:
I’m not convinced. Whatever the government does there is going to be a continued cost of living squeeze over next couple of years. That coupled with Tory governments for 13-14 years and Labour just need to be credible at the next election and they should have a good chance of winning. The problem will be they will need to rely on SNP to govern and whatever that might entail
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The surest way to make the SNP an irrelevance is vote in a Labour government.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,500
Deleted member 5849 said:
The surest way to make the SNP an irrelevance is vote in a Labour government.
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Just being realistic. Massive swing needed to get a majority and unless they start taking Scottish seats back it will be a struggle, even with a LibDem deal
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,501
CCFCSteve said:
Just being realistic. Massive swing needed to get a majority and unless they start taking Scottish seats back it will be a struggle, even with a LibDem deal
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The time after they'd end up down and down however. The only reason they're so strong atm is because Scottish politics are so misaligned with English politics. Give an English governing party more in-tune, and the case for Scottish nationalism diminishes.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,502
Deleted member 5849 said:
The time after they'd end up down and down however. The only reason they're so strong atm is because Scottish politics are so misaligned with English politics. Give an English governing party more in-tune, and the case for Scottish nationalism diminishes.
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They grew in popularity because of milliband and his catastrophic election campaign didn’t they?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,503
Grendel said:
They grew in popularity because of milliband and his catastrophic election campaign didn’t they?
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Nope. Alienation from UK (English dominated) government.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,504
PVA said:
The depressing thing about all this is that people will die because of this cost of living crisis but in 2 years time Rishi will announce some tax cuts and tell everyone that the Tories are the responsible party, the party that cuts taxes – don’t vote Labour they will only put taxes up! – and the people will lap it up.
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you actually think the British public are as thick as fuck and you are intellectually vastly superior don’t you?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,505
Deleted member 5849 said:
Nope. Alienation from UK (English dominated) government.
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nope

Scottish independence: Miliband raises border post prospect - BBC News

Ed Miliband says a Labour government at Westminster would consider building border posts if Scotland voted for independence.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,506
Grendel said:
nope

Scottish independence: Miliband raises border post prospect - BBC News

Ed Miliband says a Labour government at Westminster would consider building border posts if Scotland voted for independence.
www.bbc.co.uk
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You do love a non sequitur
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,507
Personally I am all for putting anyone coming to Scotland from England in quarantine for 6 months.

Just in case.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,508
With the state of politics at Westminster no wonder there is trend of thought in Scotland that they could probably do thing better on their own.

We love you guys though
 

stupot07

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,509
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,510
Great for the economy

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,511
fernandopartridge said:
Great for the economy

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But Corbyn
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,512
Grendel said:
you actually think the British public are as thick as fuck and you are intellectually vastly superior don’t you?
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I didn't say that. If that's what you think though then fair enough.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,513
PVA said:
I didn't say that. If that's what you think though then fair enough.
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so working class people who vote Tory aren’t stupid?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,514
Grendel said:
so working class people who vote Tory aren’t stupid?
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Depends on why they voted Tory. If they voted Tory because they thought Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Sunak etc are on their side then yes, they’re as thick as fuck.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 23, 2022
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