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clint van damme

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,446
Sky Blue Pete said:
Can see reduction in fuel duty but don’t know what else he can do if anything
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Do what they've done in France and limit increase in gas prices to 4 percent.
Levy the energy companies with a windfall tax.
Reintroduce the 20 quid UB uplift.
There's loads the wank can do.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,447
clint van damme said:
Do what they've done in France and limit increase in gas prices to 4 percent.
Levy the energy companies with a windfall tax.
Reintroduce the 20 quid UB uplift.
There's loads the wank can do.
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The wank ?! Bit harsh. At least let him do his announcement first. Whatever peoples political persuasion I’m not sure many could complain about his actions during pandemic

Agree about UB/UC. Forgot about that
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,448
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,449
PVA said:
So what's Rishi going to do to help us all in the spring Budget today?

Fuck all, presumably.

Guessing he'll blame everything on the Ukraine war and hope everyone forgets that this was all on the cards well before the war.

Then make some tax cuts before the next election to show us how wonderful and generous he and his party is.
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Well he ticked that one off in the first few seconds of his speech


"But Sunak warns the actions taken against Russia are not "cost-free" and present a 'risk to our recovery'. "
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,450
No VAT on solar panels and heat pumps, I'm all for no VAT on energy saving products but I'm not convinced that's really going to help people with the cost of living crisis.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,451
chiefdave said:
No VAT on solar panels and heat pumps, I'm all for no VAT on energy saving products but I'm not convinced that's really going to help people with the cost of living crisis.
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will the reduction in fuel duty?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,452
Grendel said:
will the reduction in fuel duty?
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Yeah to a gee greater extent
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,453
Grendel said:
will the reduction in fuel duty?
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Not really. It brings petrol down to the price of about four weeks ago and isn’t exactly targeted. It’s a pretty crappy way of spending £5bn if you’re aim is to make life easier for those hardest hit. Saves the average low income family about £2/mo and 30% of the benefit goes to the richest 20%.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,454
chiefdave said:
No VAT on solar panels and heat pumps, I'm all for no VAT on energy saving products but I'm not convinced that's really going to help people with the cost of living crisis.
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It is supposed to be a wider statement/mini budget though, not just focussed on cost of living, although appreciate that’s at forefront of peoples minds

Glad he’s raised NIC threshold to 12.5k.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,455
Nothing on energy bills, nothing on housing, nothing on food costs.

His great 'tax plan' is to fuck over everyone now and then reduce taxes before the next election, as predicted.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,456
PVA said:
Nothing on energy bills, nothing on housing, nothing on food costs.

His great 'tax plan' is to fuck over everyone now and then reduce taxes before the next election, as predicted.
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I think the energy bills assistance is as previously advised when the new cap figure was confirmed earlier in the year ie council tax rebate and ‘loan’ reducing bills. I’d be shocked if further assistance doesn’t come in Autumn when they know what the new cap will be, assuming energy costs are still a major issue, which I guess they will be
 
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xcraigx

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,457
The NI threshold increase will be very welcome to low earners.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,458
CCFCSteve said:
I think the energy bills assistance is as previously advised when the new cap figure was confirmed earlier in the year ie council tax rebate and ‘loan’ reducing bills. I’d be shocked if further assistance doesn’t come in Autumn when they know what the new cap will be, assuming energy costs are still a major issue, which I guess they will be
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Why are you attempting rationale coherent arguments to these people? It’s just pointless
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,459
Man is ideologically opposed to targeted measures. Just increase UC FFS, that’s what it’s there for. I don’t need a tax cut
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,460
PVA said:
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The Jayne Innes tribute act?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,461
Grendel said:
Why are you attempting rationale coherent arguments to these people? It’s just pointless
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Is that why you’ve chosen not to present a rational or coherent argument in 66k posts so far?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,462
Grendel said:
will the reduction in fuel duty?
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Not really as the government are earning on average 7p a litre on petrol and 9p a litre on diesel more than they were 12 months ago. The cut doesn’t outstrip the extra cost of VAT.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,463
chiefdave said:
No VAT on solar panels and heat pumps, I'm all for no VAT on energy saving products but I'm not convinced that's really going to help people with the cost of living crisis.
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It’s a cop out. He’s tried selling it as a brexit benefit when we all know the real benefit would be to scrap VAT on energy bills as touted in the referendum campaign. The people this helps is the people who can afford to get solar etc installed in the first place.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,464
Ted Heath with an instagram account.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,465
shmmeee said:
Is that why you’ve chosen not to present a rational or coherent argument in 66k posts so far?
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Thats a zinger. It must be so frustrating for you at General Election Time to fail time and time again.

Do better. D minus for that one Mr Councillor
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,466
Philosorapter said:
The Jayne Innes tribute act?
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That is genuinely hilarious
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,467
Grendel said:
Thats a zinger. It must be so frustrating for you at General Election Time to fail time and time again.

Do better. D minus for that one Mr Councillor
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Eh it was an open goal.

I’m…not a councillor?

Do you think this was a good budget for helping those struggling with the cost of living? Why do I, a higher rate tax payer, need a tax cut and the lowest paid get nothing?

Come on, share all that coherent rationalism with us. I can’t wait to hear it.

Or was that it? “Blue team wins lol”?
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,468
Grendel said:
That is genuinely hilarious
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Still can't believe she tried to run as a candidate for a Labour MP in Coventry last General Election.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,469
skybluetony176 said:
It’s a cop out. He’s tried selling it as a brexit benefit when we all know the real benefit would be to scrap VAT on energy bills as touted in the referendum campaign. The people this helps is the people who can afford to get solar etc installed in the first place.
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I’ve said before, in a sense fair play, it would’ve been the easiest thing to do and then make a big thing about it being a brexit benefit but they’ve chosen not to do it. I presume because this would’ve cut bills for plenty of people that can afford it so they’ve done weird council tax rebate thing instead
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,470
shmmeee said:
Eh it was an open goal.

I’m…not a councillor?

Do you think this was a good budget for helping those struggling with the cost of living? Why do I, a higher rate tax payer, need a tax cut and the lowest paid get nothing?

Come on, share all that coherent rationalism with us. I can’t wait to hear it.

Or was that it? “Blue team wins lol”?
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Yes I remember you were bragging you'd entered high rate taxation fairly late in life and also that you started a thread like a true socialist trying to find ways to avoid it

According to Martin Lewis on the NI issue you'll now be paying more and anyone earning under £35,000 will be paying less.

Thoughts?
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,471
shmmeee said:
Eh it was an open goal.

I’m…not a councillor?

Do you think this was a good budget for helping those struggling with the cost of living? Why do I, a higher rate tax payer, need a tax cut and the lowest paid get nothing?

Come on, share all that coherent rationalism with us. I can’t wait to hear it.

Or was that it? “Blue team wins lol”?
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UC should’ve been bumped back up. The increase in NIC threshold will help lowest paid though

Edit - not sure anyone on higher income has received a tax cut overall. Higher rate thresholds have been frozen and increase in NIC
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,472
NI threshold raise good. Just need wages to keep pace with inflation now...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,473
Now's the time to renationalise energy companies btw - save them from themselves
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,474
Deleted member 5849 said:
Now's the time to renationalise energy companies btw - save them from themselves
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Fully agree with this.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,475
Deleted member 5849 said:
Now's the time to renationalise energy companies btw - save them from themselves
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Was kind of amazing to see a energy firm go bust that was entirely funded by a local council.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,476
CCFCSteve said:
UC should’ve been bumped back up. The increase in NIC threshold will help lowest paid though
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The lowest paid don’t pay NIC in the first place, threshold increases disproportionately help the better off, as analysis has been showing since they started this in 2010.

If you want to help the poorest you do it through the benefits system, that’s what it’s there for. But Tories are ideologically opposed to the benefits system so will keep doing wasteful measures that are poorly targeted use of funds. The £20 uplift is almost the exact same cost as the NI threshold increase, but most of the benefit goes to richer households.

Same with raising NIC but cutting IT, it basically protects pensioners and those that earn their income outside of standard wages, again I’m sure it’s a complete coincidence these align with Tory voter demographics.

I’m not sure that’s responsible use of funds at the moment. Unless of course your aim isn’t to spend money to alleviate suffering but to give cash to your voters.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,477
Apologies, half owned.

Council-backed energy firm Together Energy latest to go bust

Together Energy, which was backed by Warrington Borough Council, ceases trading due to high gas prices.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,478
The poorest just need to go out and get a higher paid job, buy a car & fill it up with fuel and buy a solar panel to get the benefits of this budget.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,479
What is wrong with this c**t


 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #11,480
Grendel said:
Yes I remember you were bragging you'd entered high rate taxation fairly late in life and also that you started a thread like a true socialist trying to find ways to avoid it

According to Martin Lewis on the NI issue you'll now be paying more and anyone earning under £35,000 will be paying less.

Thoughts?
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It’s irrelevant. The rise in the cost of living outstrips the gains.
 
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