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Grendel

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  • Mar 12, 2022
  • #11,341
PVA said:
Boris lad.

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is this guy a Russian oligarch?
 
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stupot07

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  • Mar 12, 2022
  • #11,342

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stupot07

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  • Mar 12, 2022
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PVA

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  • Mar 12, 2022
  • #11,344
Grendel said:
is this guy a Russian oligarch?
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No he's the Prime Minister
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 13, 2022
  • #11,345
This government are starting to sound like a plot from a John Le Carre novel. Tinker, oligarchs, PM, spy.
 
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duffer

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  • Mar 13, 2022
  • #11,346
As Foreign Secretary, Johnson ditches his security detail to go to wild parties in the Italian palace of his Russian oligarch mate.

The same mate who is closely aligned with Putin, says the Salisbury attacks aren't Russian in origin, whose father was a KGB agent, and who is considered a security risk by MI6.

Later as PM, Johnson gives his mate a peerage, again despite MI6 insisting he is a security risk.

Now, read that again, and replace the name Johnson with Corbyn, (or even Starmer) and tell me if you think the British press would accept them as a suitable Prime Minister.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Mar 13, 2022
  • #11,347
duffer said:
As Foreign Secretary, Johnson ditches his security detail to go to wild parties in the Italian palace of his Russian oligarch mate.

The same mate who is closely aligned with Putin, says the Salisbury attacks aren't Russian in origin, whose father was a KGB agent, and who is considered a security risk by MI6.

Later as PM, Johnson gives his mate a peerage, again despite MI6 insisting he is a security risk.

Now, read that again, and replace the name Johnson with Corbyn, (or even Starmer) and tell me if you think the British press would accept them as a suitable Prime Minister.
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I’d forgotten all about that - Morning after: Boris Johnson recovers from Lebedev’s exotic Italian party
The hypocrisy and double standards are breathtaking.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2022
  • #11,348
Sick Boy said:
I’d forgotten all about that - Morning after: Boris Johnson recovers from Lebedev’s exotic Italian party
The hypocrisy and double standards is breathtaking.
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indeed they are
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 13, 2022
  • #11,349
Grendel said:
indeed they are
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We know you were outraged by Mr Corbyn's alleged links with Russia and demanded he be removed from office as a national security risk. Presumably you're equally as outraged by Mr Johnson's Russian links and want him removed from office immediately?
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2022
  • #11,350
PVA said:
We know you were outraged by Mr Corbyn's alleged links with Russia and demanded he be removed from office as a national security risk. Presumably you're equally as outraged by Mr Johnson's Russian links and want him removed from office immediately?
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Mr Lebvedev is not a political figure. He’s very popular in the London social scene and is more interested in dying his beard and fake tans - also it seems and oddly is held in very high esteem on this forum - hence the hypocrisy tag.
The Salisbury statement was curious (probably attention seeking) and from what I see not exactly what’s portrayed on here and the front pages from what I see are highly critical of the invasion

It’s also worth noting (again the hypocrisy reference) that mr Corbyn and his pro Russian sympathy at the time of the Salisbury poising was well received on here with some believing it was a MI6 killing on the instruction of the uk government - one poster believing the Russians leaving the country were actors and the airport scene staged like a scene from Capricorn One
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 13, 2022
  • #11,351
Grendel said:
Mr Lebvedev is not a political figure. He’s very popular in the London social scene and is more interested in dying his beard and fake tans - also it seems and oddly is held in very high esteem on this forum - hence the hypocrisy tag.
The Salisbury statement was curious (probably attention seeking) and from what I see not exactly what’s portrayed on here and the front pages from what I see are highly critical of the invasion

It’s also worth noting (again the hypocrisy reference) that mr Corbyn and his pro Russian sympathy at the time of the Salisbury poising was well received on here with some believing it was a MI6 killing on the instruction of the uk government - one poster believing the Russians leaving the country were actors and the airport scene staged like a scene from Capricorn One
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So when someone you don't like suggests Russia weren't behind the poisonings they are a security risk.

When someone in bed with your beloved PM suggests Russia were not behind the poisonings that's just 'curious attention seeking'

Understood.

Hypocrisy indeed.
 
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stupot07

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  • Mar 13, 2022
  • #11,352

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PVA

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  • Mar 14, 2022
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,354
Grendel said:
Mr Lebvedev is not a political figure. He’s very popular in the London social scene and is more interested in dying his beard and fake tans - also it seems and oddly is held in very high esteem on this forum - hence the hypocrisy tag.
The Salisbury statement was curious (probably attention seeking) and from what I see not exactly what’s portrayed on here and the front pages from what I see are highly critical of the invasion

It’s also worth noting (again the hypocrisy reference) that mr Corbyn and his pro Russian sympathy at the time of the Salisbury poising was well received on here with some believing it was a MI6 killing on the instruction of the uk government - one poster believing the Russians leaving the country were actors and the airport scene staged like a scene from Capricorn One
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He's not a political figure! He's in the House of Lords FFS!
 
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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,355
PVA said:
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But Diane Abbott......
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,356





 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,357
PVA said:





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Think we need to be more worried about the not-zero agenda.

If anything this has shown we need better energy independence and we're perfectly situated to make the more of zero-carbon, renewable energy which would not only solve that issue pretty much forever but also put us at the forefront of what is surely going to be one of the growth industries of the next generation or two.

But, nah. Let's not do that and instead concentrate on keeping pulling finite supplies of stuff out of the ground to burn at immense cost (financially, ecologically, healthwise) and end up with the same problem and high fuel costs in the future because that best suits the investments of a handful of rich people and nations.

You must have to be a special kind of idiotic twat to think putting the short-term interests of a small group of people is the right thing to do. Surely a majority of them must be able to see the massive flaws with what they're suggesting?
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,358
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
He's not a political figure! He's in the House of Lords FFS!
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Well he surely leans to the majority of people on here does he not?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,359
Grendel said:
Well he surely leans to the majority of people on here does he not?
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I've no idea what the fuck you even mean by that.

And anyway the point you made was he isn't a political figure. Are you now accepting he is and trying to deflect by some of your classic 'whataboutery'?

Grendel said:
Also whataboutery is such an absurd term - a lazy euphemism to evade debate
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Grendel

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,360
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I've no idea what the fuck you even mean by that.

And anyway the point you made was he isn't a political figure. Are you now accepting he is and trying to deflect by some of your classic 'whataboutery'?
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I mean abs I assume it’s the same guy who owns the independent isn’t it?

What’s his political party in the lords?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,361
Grendel said:
I mean abs I assume it’s the same guy who owns the independent isn’t it?

What’s his political party in the lords?
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Yes, he owns the Independent. So what? As you well know you have to get a wide cross-section of sources as all of them will, at some point, have an element of bias.

As for political party, again irrelevant. Just because he's cross-bench doesn't mean he isn't a political figure or doesn't wield significant influence.

If I were looking to infiltrate, I would want to ingratiate myself with those currently in power to give me initial access and influence, but then leave as many avenues and doors open as possible to exert influence wherever possible. Why limit your potential influence to a single party that may at some point lose power?

Lebedev courted the likes of Johnson (who he probably knew could be easily manipulated with donations, PR etc.) to get himself a peerage and then became cross-party to give him scope to influence.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,362
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yes, he owns the Independent. So what? As you well know you have to get a wide cross-section of sources as all of them will, at some point, have an element of bias.

As for political party, again irrelevant. Just because he's cross-bench doesn't mean he isn't a political figure or doesn't wield significant influence.

If I were looking to infiltrate, I would want to ingratiate myself with those currently in power to give me initial access and influence, but then leave as many avenues and doors open as possible to exert influence wherever possible. Why limit your potential influence to a single party that may at some point lose power?

Lebedev courted the likes of Johnson (who he probably knew could be easily manipulated with donations, PR etc.) to get himself a peerage and then became cross-party to give him scope to influence.
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lol so the independent is a mouthpiece for Russia?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,363
Grendel said:
lol so the independent is a mouthpiece for Russia?
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Not at all. I think we've seem some supposedly 'patriotic' news outlets be far more forgiving of Russia's invasion. The point was that you always need multiple sources to compare to see what is being said and highlight any potential bias.

Anyway, stop deflecting from the fact you said someone in the House of Lords isn't a political figure.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,364
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Not at all. I think we've seem some supposedly 'patriotic' news outlets be far more forgiving of Russia's invasion. The point was that you always need multiple sources to compare to see what is being said and highlight any potential bias.

Anyway, stop deflecting from the fact you said someone in the House of Lords isn't a political figure.
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so the archbishop is a political figure?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,365
Grendel said:
so the archbishop is a political figure?
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A lot of political commentators of a certain persuasion certainly don’t like him because he’s “woke”. So they certainly think he is.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,366
Grendel said:
so the archbishop is a political figure?
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Clearly, and it would be odd to argue otherwise. Take the L and move on.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,367
SBT said:
Clearly, and it would be odd to argue otherwise. Take the L and move on.
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Where does he sit politically?
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,368
Grendel said:
Where does he sit politically?
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…..in the House of Lords.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,369
Grendel said:
Where does he sit politically?
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Socialist
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,370
Grendel said:
so the archbishop is a political figure?
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Grendel

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,371
SBT said:
…..in the House of Lords.
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where does Mr levedev sit and use his amazing political influence?
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,372
Grendel said:
where does Mr levedev sit and use his amazing political influence?
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Who is Mr Levedev? Do you need a lie down?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,373
Grendel said:
where does Mr levedev sit and use his amazing political influence?
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,374
Grendel said:
where does Mr levedev sit and use his amazing political influence?
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With Boris on his lap.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 14, 2022
  • #11,375
SBT said:
Who is Mr Levedev? Do you need a lie down?
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What I would I think like to know is which acts of parliament passed through the lords for consideration has Mr Levedev attempt to influence?
 
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