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PVA

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,201
Otis said:
The worry is, if that happens, it could well be Latvia next and then Lithuania.

At what point does anyone step in?
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Latvia and Lithuania are both NATO members, so NATO would have to step in then.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,202
I’m old enough to remember when Tories were spitting feathers at sports getting involved in politics for taking the knee. How the worm has turned

Truss tells English teams to boycott Champions League final over Russia crisis

English teams should boycott the Champions League final over Russia's potential invasion in Ukraine, Liz Truss has told LBC.
www.lbc.co.uk
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,203
Boris sounding like Corbyn in PMQ’s.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,204
PVA said:
Latvia and Lithuania are both NATO members, so NATO would have to step in then.
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Yes. Two of the ten Eastern European countries that joined in the last 20 years.

By the way Estonia would probably be the first target.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,205
skybluetony176 said:
I’m old enough to remember when Tories were spitting feathers at sports getting involved in politics for taking the knee. How the worm has turned

Truss tells English teams to boycott Champions League final over Russia crisis

English teams should boycott the Champions League final over Russia's potential invasion in Ukraine, Liz Truss has told LBC.
www.lbc.co.uk
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Amazing isn't it. They just don't realise how inconsistent and muddled they are.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,206
Deleted member 9744 said:
Amazing isn't it. They just don't realise how inconsistent and muddled they are.
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And no one cares
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,207
The Conservative and Russian Federation Party


Couple this with Boris’ PMQ’s performance that made Corbyns response to the Salisbury poisoning look strong. They’re so reluctant to be strong on this. Why?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,208

Government to launch study on economic benefits of reintroducing imperial units

Exclusive: Business minister mocked for ‘ludicrous’ attempt to quantify ‘Brexit benefit’
www.independent.co.uk
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,209
chiefdave said:

Government to launch study on economic benefits of reintroducing imperial units

Exclusive: Business minister mocked for ‘ludicrous’ attempt to quantify ‘Brexit benefit’
www.independent.co.uk
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Global Britain. Reintroduce an out of date measurement system only used by 2 countries in the world. Genius.
 
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oakey

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,210

What a disgrace the baying mob allowed to shout down Caroline Lucas and the speaker's response!
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,211
oakey said:

What a disgrace the baying mob allowed to shout down Caroline Lucas and the speaker's response!
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Hoyle is the epitome of a wet blanket!
Shambles of a man.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,212

Trump praises ‘genius’ Putin for moving troops to eastern Ukraine

Former president says Russian leader made ‘very savvy’ decision to recognise two territories of eastern Ukraine as independent
www.theguardian.com
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,213
clint van damme said:
Hoyle is the epitome of a wet blanket!
Shambles of a man.
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I think it is worse than that. It's about actual bias in favour of the Government to the detriment of democracy and accountability. His role should extend to facilitating reasonable challenge.
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,214
Sick Boy said:

Trump praises ‘genius’ Putin for moving troops to eastern Ukraine

Former president says Russian leader made ‘very savvy’ decision to recognise two territories of eastern Ukraine as independent
www.theguardian.com
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Thinly veiled, 'please don't release that video of me getting pissed on by a prostitute' plea.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,215
Good old Liz!

 
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Ian1779

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,216
clint van damme said:
Good old Liz!

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Thick as pork mince.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,217
It's frightening that we have someone that thick in such an important position.

Though we shouldn't be surprised, we have a culture Secretary who thinks the Internet has only been around for 10 years.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 23, 2022
  • #11,218
PVA said:
It's frightening that we have someone that thick in such an important position.

Though we shouldn't be surprised, we have a culture Secretary who think the Internet has only been around for 10 years.
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Thought that C4 was publicly funded, didn't realise you could watch tele on YouTube and spells Swastika Swass sticker.
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,219
Grendel said:
Putins biggest concern won’t be faux sanctions but the rather underwhelming reaction in the stock markets to his little wander into Ukraine - he will be very disappointed
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Just checking in on this one

Russian stocks down 28%
Russian central bank intervening to stop ruble from sliding
European stocks down as much as 6%
Dow set to fall 800 points at the open

Starting to wonder if your grand plan of ‘Let Russia invade and ban Ukraine from NATO’ wasn’t quite the political genius move you thought
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,220
The ironically named James Cleverly was on Peston last night trying to make the UK’s pitiful sanctions look tough by bragging that we’ve sanctioned Putins judo partner. It’s more the fact that we haven’t sanctioned Boris’ tennis partners husband that’s the problem.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,221
Otis said:
The worry is, if that happens, it could well be Latvia next and then Lithuania.

At what point does anyone step in?
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That’s the fear isn’t it? With bullies you appeal to their goodness and then when that doesn’t work you hit them with overwhelming force. I think we are at the overwhelming force point
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,222
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s the fear isn’t it? With bullies you appeal to their goodness and then when that doesn’t work you hit them with overwhelming force. I think we are at the overwhelming force point
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Latvia et al are actually in NATO though and thus NATO would have to be the terms of the treaty actually defend them
 

duffer

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,223
Grendel said:
so you want war?
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No one, other than Putin, wants war in Ukraine. Describing it as you do elsewhere, as a 'little wander', is frankly ridiculous.

Ukraine has only ever wanted peaceful co-existence with Russia, and a right to democracy and self-determination.

It gave up its nuclear weapons when Russia pledged to "respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine".

Ukraine got a signed commitment in 1994 to ensure its security – but can the US and allies stop Putin’s aggression now?

As Russia threatens to invade Ukraine, Ukrainians wonder about the worth of a 1994 agreement signed by Russia, the US and the UK, who promised to protect the newly independent state’s sovereignty.
theconversation.com

Initially, Ukraine wanted to be a neutral state, aligned with neither Moscow nor NATO, but under threat from Russia (not least with the annexation of Crimea), it has pivoted more towards the West in hope of protection.

Putin is a lot like Johnson. He cares only for power and prestige. This war isn't about him feeling threatened by NATO, he knows the west has no interest in war with Russia. It's about him retaining power in his own country by asserting its military prestige and pulling the old Soviet union back together. Legal agreements, rules, and treaties, are for other people; for him, might makes right.

So it's unfortunate that we've got the worst government in living memory at the helm right now. Anyone who thinks Russian money isn't influencing the Tory party must have their head in a bucket.

Revealed: Russian donors have stepped up Tory funding

As Johnson accused of ‘cover-up’ over Kremlin interference, major new Russian donations to Conservatives revealed – despite previous Tory pledge to distance themselves from Russian money.
www.opendemocracy.net

Intelligence and Security Committee Russia report - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The only language Putin understands is strength. The way to minimise the loss of life here, to both ordinary Russians and Ukrainian men, women, and children, is to stand against him as firmly as possible. Trivial sanctions won't make any difference, the approach needs to be united, global, and it's got to hurt.

Bluntly, the Tories under Johnson, don't want to upset their Russian paymasters too much. We've seen that already. They're going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming towards proper, robust, sanctions of the sort Europe are already putting in place.

Do I want a war? Hell no. The way to stop it going any further though, is for Europe and the west to stand firm, right now, and support a democratic European country of 44 million people that wants nothing more than the right to exist on its own terms.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,224
duffer said:
No one, other than Putin, wants war in Ukraine. Describing it as you do elsewhere, as a 'little wander', is frankly ridiculous.

Ukraine has only ever wanted peaceful co-existence with Russia, and a right to democracy and self-determination.

It gave up its nuclear weapons when Russia pledged to "respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine".

Ukraine got a signed commitment in 1994 to ensure its security – but can the US and allies stop Putin’s aggression now?

As Russia threatens to invade Ukraine, Ukrainians wonder about the worth of a 1994 agreement signed by Russia, the US and the UK, who promised to protect the newly independent state’s sovereignty.
theconversation.com

Initially, Ukraine wanted to be a neutral state, aligned with neither Moscow nor NATO, but under threat from Russia (not least with the annexation of Crimea), it has pivoted more towards the West in hope of protection.

Putin is a lot like Johnson. He cares only for power and prestige. This war isn't about him feeling threatened by NATO, he knows the west has no interest in war with Russia. It's about him retaining power in his own country by asserting its military prestige and pulling the old Soviet union back together. Legal agreements, rules, and treaties, are for other people; for him, might makes right.

So it's unfortunate that we've got the worst government in living memory at the helm right now. Anyone who thinks Russian money isn't influencing the Tory party must have their head in a bucket.

Revealed: Russian donors have stepped up Tory funding

As Johnson accused of ‘cover-up’ over Kremlin interference, major new Russian donations to Conservatives revealed – despite previous Tory pledge to distance themselves from Russian money.
www.opendemocracy.net

Intelligence and Security Committee Russia report - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The only language Putin understands is strength. The way to minimise the loss of life here, to both ordinary Russians and Ukrainian men, women, and children, is to stand against him as firmly as possible. Trivial sanctions won't make any difference, the approach needs to be united, global, and it's got to hurt.

Bluntly, the Tories under Johnson, don't want to upset their Russian paymasters too much. We've seen that already. They're going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming towards proper, robust, sanctions of the sort Europe are already putting in place.

Do I want a war? Hell no. The way to stop it going any further though, is for Europe and the west to stand firm, right now, and support a democratic European country of 44 million people that wants nothing more than the right to exist on its own terms.
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I agree with a lot of this. We’ll see what sanctions are delivered today, there’s no reason or justification to hold back now so only time will tell what influence Russians have over the government - I’d personally like to think not as much as is being made out

As mentioned on the other thread I’m really not sure what sanctions will do currently though, although they might have an impact longer term. He’s lost it…but in a calculated way
 
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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,225
I never thought I'd see Grendel and Jeremy Corbyn on the same side...
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,226
Deleted member 5849 said:
I never thought I'd see Grendel and Jeremy Corbyn on the same side...
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They do say that if you go far enough right you’ll unite with far left and viceversa.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,227
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s the fear isn’t it? With bullies you appeal to their goodness and then when that doesn’t work you hit them with overwhelming force. I think we are at the overwhelming force point
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Can't do two reactions cos wanted to give it a as well
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,228
This piece of shit is a stain on the country. Wish he'd fuck off to Moscow where he belongs.

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,229
PVA said:
This piece of shit is a stain on the country. Wish he'd fuck off to Moscow where he belongs.

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Maybe Putins gone much further because he’s got other motives you nonce Nigel

ps never had you down as a Farage follower PVA ?!
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,230
CCFCSteve said:
Maybe Putins gone much further because he’s got other motives you nonce Nigel

ps never had you down as a Farage follower PVA ?!
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Some good apologetics from Nigel and victim blaming. He’s such a knob
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,231
PVA said:
This piece of shit is a stain on the country. Wish he'd fuck off to Moscow where he belongs.

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Imagine if Nigel Farage had got in power…
 
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SBT

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,232
Frankly insane that any would-be leader would admit to such a massive miscalculation when it comes to global security. But of course, any chance of that is a distant memory.
 

duffer

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,233
skybluetony176 said:
Imagine if Nigel Farage had got in power…
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Funny isn't it. These ultra-right Brexit loons, who wrap themselves in the flag and accuse anyone to the left of Attila the Hun of hating the country, have actually been doing Russia's dirty work for them all along...
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,234
duffer said:
Funny isn't it. These ultra-right Brexit loons, who wrap themselves in the flag and accuse anyone to the left of Attila the Hun of hating the country, have actually been doing Russia's dirty work for them all along...
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I don’t get why he doesn’t hide his head in shame
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 24, 2022
  • #11,235
Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t get why he doesn’t hide his head in shame
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He's an asset with a job to do!
 
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