I'm not 'obsessed' with money given to oligarchs. Again you're just making stuff up.
But after promising strong sanctions for weeks when it comes to crunch time he's absolutely shat the bed, and we all know why, because he's totally in bed with god knows how many Russians.
I don't know what the answer is, but I know it isn't freezing the assets of 3 people who don't live in the UK and have been on the US sanctions list for 4 years.
So what sanctions would work and what would you do? What should Mr Starmer do?
What sanctions would you like to see imposed on Russia?
You want sanctions so specify.
Who is Mr Johnson in bed with?
What would you want to do?
Oh wonderful and who would the agreed third party be - and say Mr Putin does not agree?
The only people obsessed with oligarchs money are the Tories £160K for a game of tennis with Boris lad.Well you seem obsessed with money given to Oligarchs
I would also be genuinely interested in your opinion what the PM should so rather than just constantly linking twitter "exclusives" but not seemingly having an opinion on the matter
What's the point.
We know the sun shines out of 'Mr Johnson's' arse for you, and you're incredibly disgusted by Labour's ties to Russian activity while your hero hands out seats in the House of Lords to ex KGB agents and plays tennis with 'Mr Putin's' friends, but that's OK because he wears a blue tie.
He literally calls himself Boris ffs. But Diane Abbott!
It's been a sensible and interesting discussion in here all day until you came along.
Well What a measured and amazing response.
what sanctions would work?
Well, first things first get the ex-KGB peer to publicly denounce it or lose his peerage. Sanctions on every single Russian billionnaire unless they publicly denounce the actions, not just 3. Freeze all UK assets over £1m of any Russian national unless they do the same. Prevent any Russian based or linked companies obtaining any finance from UK sources, trading in the City or transferring money without the same. Let's get ready to rouble!
The sanctions so far are pathetic. It's not even putting him on the naughty step.
Whereas by the sounds of it, your actions would be 'Do nothing. Don't get involved. There's too much money at stake". Just out of interest, what is the level of investment you require to lube up for them?
It’s a real quandary. New gas exploration in the North Sea breaking green commitments or continue importing 25% (I think that’s right) of our gas from Russia. While we’re still making the move from Gas to renewable I think on balance I’d actually take more gas exploration in the North Sea so long as it’s strictly on the basis of replacing gas imports from Russia.Surely now the west has to realise they have to use their own natural, renewable resources for their energy needs.
Out of interest what do you think should happen?
In simplistic terms let them get on with it and the sanction should be that Ukraine will always be denied NATO access
So basically you’re voting Putin.In simplistic terms let them get on with it and the sanction should be that Ukraine will always be denied NATO access
Well What a measured and amazing response.
what sanctions would work?
Well What a measured and amazing response.
Says the bloke who's response to posting some breaking news stories was 'you think the UK is solely responsible for stopping the invasion'
Going to fly in the face of opinion on here and my usual stance of criticising almost everything the tories do and think its quite a sensible opening gambit.
A lot of Putins wealth is in the names of other people (I'd imagine these 3 are prominent among them), and a lot of it's in London
Show him it can be got at but don't back him into a corner just yet.
It’s a real quandary. New gas exploration in the North Sea breaking green commitments or continue importing 25% (I think that’s right) of our gas from Russia. While we’re still making the move from Gas to renewable I think on balance I’d actually take more gas exploration in the North Sea so long as it’s strictly on the basis of replacing gas imports from Russia.
In simplistic terms let them get on with it and the sanction should be that Ukraine will always be denied NATO access
Putin’s opening gambit is to declare certain regions to be independent states so he can put his army in Ukrainian territory. I’m not sure what we’ve done is quite equivalent
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It’s believed that Putins money is in the hands of 50 oligarchs and these 3 aren’t any of them. If that’s true then it’s a hollow gesture. Problem is no one will name them for fear of legalities. It needs someone to use parliamentary privilege.Going to fly in the face of opinion on here and my usual stance of criticising almost everything the tories do and think its quite a sensible opening gambit.
A lot of Putins wealth is in the names of other people (I'd imagine these 3 are prominent among them), and a lot of it's in London
Show him it can be got at but don't back him into a corner just yet.
It’s believed that Putins money is in the hands of 50 oligarchs and these 3 aren’t any of them. If that’s true then it’s a hollow gesture. Problem is no one will name them for fear of legalities. It needs someone to use parliamentary privilege.
It's nowhere near the equivalent. But it's very easy to escalate things, descalation not quite as easy.
And if the apetites not their for military engagement its better not to be seen as having backed down after you've given it a load of bluster.
It's worrying that this whole situation hangs on the actions of someone like Putin though.
Thing is does Corbyn actually have the links some would have you believe with Russia. Being against NATO like Corbyn and Abbot is more like 6th form debating groups than being on the Russian payroll. It’s ideology, nothing more.Spend years crying about Corbyn's links with Russia and then switch sides to back Russia when they invade another country
Quite the heel turn from Grendel!
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Thing is does Corbyn actually have the links some would have you believe with Russia. Being against NATO like Corbyn and Abbot is more like 6th form debating groups than being on the Russian payroll. It’s ideology, nothing more.
Only one party parties with Putin cronies, plays Tennis with them, holidays in their villa’s, gives them life peerages and a say in political decisions, invest in their banks even when they’re sanctioned by other western countries, takes multiple donations etc etc and it isn’t the Labour Party.
No you’re right - people that embezzle dirty Russian money are far more qualified on this.Whatever people think of Johnson (some if his recent behaviour/actions have been embarrassing at best) there is no way anyone would want Corbyn in charge at a time like this.
Only the Tories could be tougher on people that claim benefits than they are on Russia.
No you’re right - people that embezzle dirty Russian money are far more qualified on this.
I’ll be honest enough and say I don’t know - what I do believe is that expecting anyone to listen to our elected representatives ‘sanction’ Russia whilst they take their money is laughable. They have fuck all ability to shape any kind of meaningful solution to this.what would you Ian? Actually while we are at it what would your friend Mr Corbyn do?
well what would you do?
Coybyn would be impotent because of personal ideology. So far Boris has talked the talk but the only walking he’s done is to catch up the US 6 years late to the party. All while he’s been giving them peerages, playing tennis with them, holidaying in their villas and accepting donations. Misplaced ideology vs misplaced morals for the Russian Ruble. It’s like picking your favourite shit.Whatever people think of Johnson (some of his recent behaviour/actions have been embarrassing at best) there is no way anyone would want Corbyn in charge at a time like this.
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