People have a very short memory come election time, sadly.
I think that’s the plan. If peoples living standards have been squeezed for two years (and unemployment rises - could happen if interest rates go up and businesses struggle with debt) I’m not sure it will sway people though
In other news it likes like Putin has decided to push the button.
Sad times.
That's concerning isn't it.In other news it likes like Putin has decided to push the button.
Sad times.
Saw a clip of Putin’s press conference after Macron’s visited. Speaking to the effect of ‘we know we can’t conquer the whole world but if Ukraine joins NATO then Europe’s at war with us and we all lose’.
Imagine if Mexico and Canada joined an anti-American alliance and started putting troops on the border. The US wouldn’t accept it. Continuously expanding NATO was always going to lead to something like this.
I wouldn't say that is obviously false. Been a war there for years and they fucking hate each other.In other news it likes like Putin has decided to push the button.
Sad times.
Yeah, there is a potential argument from Putin but as I’ve said before he will find an excuse for his actions either way. I just don’t trust a word he says. Ukraine are ultimately asking for assistance to protect their democracy/country and I presume there is only ongoing talk of them joining NATO due to the continuing threat from Russia (especially after Crimea).
Surely the answer is ‘you stop any threatening actions and Ukraine won’t be able to join NATO’ ? If that changes NATO will revisit its position.
Not ideal to reject a democratic nation but if it keeps peace
ps I say all of the above with hardly any knowledge of the situation/Russian history…just basing it on Putin and his historical actions
Well it’s based on the agreement made at the end of the Cold War that NATO wouldn’t expand to countries east of the old iron curtain. Safe to say we didn’t stick to it
I was talking about what I was basing my views of the situation on. As I said, Putin may have a point and he will use that as his excuse because it gets a sympathetic ear but I doubt that’s the main reason for his actions
I think at some point Labour are going to have to try and come up with some positive reasons to vote for them that aren't just being a reaction to the latest Tory scandal.
I think at some point Labour are going to have to try and come up with some positive reasons to vote for them that aren't just being a reaction to the latest Tory scandal.
I have just heard Johnson and Truss waffling on about the Ukraine, why is this our battle have I missed the French and German leaders saying about sanctions for Russia, I know Johnson is trying to shift thoughts away from his current issues but scraping with Putin isn’t the best way to do it.
I have just heard Johnson and Truss waffling on about the Ukraine, why is this our battle have I missed the French and German leaders saying about sanctions for Russia, I know Johnson is trying to shift thoughts away from his current issues but scraping with Putin isn’t the best way to do it.
Yes exactly. At the moment they have no appeal for floating voters other than to say they oppose everything from the Tories. Its obvious the gap will decrease every poll like as Labour are inert. Thatcher had (60%) poll ratings frequently and always lost council elections and bi elections but come the big day always won - she had 100 seat majority in her third term
France has said it has to be part of any sanctions as has Ursula Von Der Leyen.I’ve no doubt the government is playing up our role/influence but Germany in particular are keeping quiet because they have a huge reliance on Russian gas (even more so in future)…they didn’t even want to mention the Nord stream 2 pipeline in potential sanctions.
France has said it has to be part of any sanctions as has Ursula Von Der Leyen.
I’ve seen VDL indicate that it has to be on the table but I don’t think Germany committed to it and it would be their call (I believe). From what I’ve read Germany need will need their gas especially as they’re closing down their nuclear plants. I suppose we won’t know unless/until sanctions have to be implemented…hopefully we don’t get to that point though
I’d imagine the best way to get Putin to step back is for him to think sanctions would have a material impact on Russia (he holds energy cards in return though) and give him something to take back to the Russian people as a victory (I’d imagine this may involve Ukraine agreeing to park NATO application for time being at least)
Or restart coal miningIf nothing else this whole ongoing saga shows the need for net zero. The west can’t be in the grip of someone like Putin who can hold the whole of Europe to ransom with Gas supply. Best thing that Europe (including us) can do is loose our reliance on gas. Net zero is the only way to achieve that.
Don’t think we have any infrastructure left to generate coal fired electricity.Or restart coal mining
Well it’s historical fact rather than an excuse that NATO was expanded in a way contradictory to what was agreed. I don’t deny Putin if he had his way wants to resurrect the USSR but he also knows he can’t do that without being dogpiled by the rest of the world. He’s openly said as much on the latter.
If he’s being penned into a corner he’ll hit the button. We’ve installed NATO facilities on the Russian border and stationed troops there too. Really think how the US would react if it happened on their side.
You are well aligned with Nigel Farage on this one!
The claim that there was an explicit promise not to expand NATO eastwards is very much disputed. And in any case, comparing NATO and its relationship to Russia to some kind of “anti American” alliance gathering on the US border is so disingenuous it could have been pulled straight from the Kremlin daily briefing.
I didn’t say I agreed with it but it’s how the average Russian perceives what’s happened. Already said I think Putin still has his heart set on reforming the USSR which is I doubt what Mr Farage believes
You are well aligned with Nigel Farage on this one!
The claim that there was an explicit promise not to expand NATO eastwards is very much disputed. And in any case, comparing NATO and its relationship to Russia to some kind of “anti American” alliance gathering on the US border is so disingenuous it could have been pulled straight from the Kremlin daily briefing.
So it isn’t historical fact that NATO‘s expansion is breaking its agreements?
So it isn’t historical fact that NATO‘s expansion is breaking its agreements?
It's more an understanding they wouldn't expand eastwards but Russia have invaded and occupy part of a neighbouring country so all bets are really off.
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