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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (16 Viewers)

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,606
Grendel said:
Starmer and optimism there’s an interesting thought
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Well exactly. Doesn’t inspire much in me at the moment and I’m not sure how he gets on against another charlatan candidate
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,607
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well exactly. Doesn’t inspire much in me at the moment and I’m not sure how he gets on against another charlatan candidate
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You say another charlatan candidate but really Starmer should stand for something. It’s clear he won’t reverse the NI price hike, lots of waffle, won’t alter the fuel price caps either - what does he stand for
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,608
Grendel said:
You say another charlatan candidate but really Starmer should stand for something. It’s clear he won’t reverse the NI price hike, lots of waffle, won’t alter the fuel price caps either - what does he stand for
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Well I mean a snake oil salesman with perceived charisma is enough to romp home in this country
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,609
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well I mean a snake oil salesman with perceived charisma is enough to romp home in this country
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Only time a labour leader has won in half a century is what you are describing - Major and May you certainly can’t say had very much charisma
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,610
Grendel said:
Only time a labour leader has won in half a century is what you are describing - Major and May you certainly can’t say had very much charisma
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Think politics has changed even since May
 

David O'Day

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,611
No ones cares about parties

 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,612
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m not expecting policies right now. Just when the time comes I want an optimistic campaign
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Its hard. Activists want change cos they’re activists, most voters want reassurance not too much will change.

My expectations are so low after 12 years of Tories I just want properly funded services and a focus on people not a few elites TBH. I’d love some groundbreaking policy, but it’s all second term stuff. So annoying Blair wasted his capital on privatised services and war (as well as the good stuff), 2001-2005 he could’ve got some real change through.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 4, 2022
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,614
David O'Day said:
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These Tory MP’s don’t half seem bothered by parties. Well, the ones that didn’t attend or organise them at least.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,615
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I want to see Labour run on what they have to offer, instead of going ‘we aren’t them’. Just offer a positive campaign based mostly on economic solutions for working people.
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I love your optimism, but that sort of stuff just doesn't work anymore.

Fact is labour could come up with an extremely sensible and costed manifesto and there'd still be this overriding perception in far too many people that Labour are economically illiterate while the Tories are adept at running an economy.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,616
CCFCSteve said:
By all accounts Johnson doesn’t like confrontation, so maybe there’s a deal done ie resign with a bit of dignity or get the boot. Or they jumped first knowing they’d be pushed. Reynolds and Rosenfield were 99% certain to go, plus one of the others I think. Not sure the other two were though
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There is no chance of Boris leaving with dignity.

The best he can hope for is avoiding this
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,617
Is there a decent one amongst them?

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,618
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I love your optimism, but that sort of stuff just doesn't work anymore.

Fact is labour could come up with an extremely sensible and costed manifesto and there'd still be this overriding perception in far too many people that Labour are economically illiterate while the Tories are adept at running an economy.
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Well I simply mean

Lower or eliminate VAT
Raise the minimum wage
Raise corporation tax and top end tax rates

Focus on people’s pockets
 

JAM See

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,619
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I love your optimism, but that sort of stuff just doesn't work anymore.

Fact is labour could come up with an extremely sensible and costed manifesto and there'd still be this overriding perception in far too many people that Labour are economically illiterate while the Tories are adept at running an economy.
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That's the approach Labour need to take.

i.e. Hammer the Tories for their appalling fiscal management since the last election.

They are not the party to be trusted with our taxes.

I'd also go hard on the Owen Paterson shambles. "When we break the rules, we change the rules" Something like that.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,620
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I love your optimism, but that sort of stuff just doesn't work anymore.

Fact is labour could come up with an extremely sensible and costed manifesto and there'd still be this overriding perception in far too many people that Labour are economically illiterate while the Tories are adept at running an economy.
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I think that’s a bit pessimistic. Questions are being raised about Tories and the economy recently (especially wastage) so as long as Starmer avoids Corbynomics he should be ok.

Stuff like a one off windfall tax on energy companies whos profits have shot up due to energy crisis are well received by public. I really think the government missed a trick by not getting even a smallish sum out of fuel companies like shell etc
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,621
It's not wastage, it's quite deliberate.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,622
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well I simply mean

Lower or eliminate VAT
Raise the minimum wage
Raise corporation tax and top end tax rates

Focus on people’s pockets
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All good points and policies.

But will achieve very little if delivered in a staid, uncharismatic manner. Which is what Starmer is likely to do. He'd be professional, but would likely lose to someone with a personality.

I feel by the time of another election most people won't care about 'Boris'' nonsense if he's not in charge, even though those same people were just as complicit.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,623
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
All good points and policies.

But will achieve very little if delivered in a staid, uncharismatic manner. Which is what Starmer is likely to do. He'd be professional, but would likely lose to someone with a personality.

I feel by the time of another election most people won't care about 'Boris'' nonsense if he's not in charge, even though those same people were just as complicit.
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Tactical injection of Andy Burnham please
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,624
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Tactical injection of Andy Burnham please
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Certainly think he needs to feature more prominently, but Tories would probably try to label him as a radical leftie socialist.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,625
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Certainly think he needs to feature more prominently, but Tories would probably try to label him as a radical leftie socialist.
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They do that with everyone. He’s built up a reputation, talks straight, seems like he ‘gets’ people and has a convenient accent.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,626
I mean he laughs but the last man to romp home just told jokes and hid from the press
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,627
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I mean he laughs but the last man to romp home just told jokes and hid from the press
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Burnham would be considered far right in the eyes of Unite and the dumbass labour members
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,628
Grendel said:
Burnham would be considered far right in the eyes of Unite and the dumbass labour members
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The union circles I mix in disagree
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,629
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The union circles I mix in disagree
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Well good for you. He also earns a 6 figure salary plus expenses and lives where he is happy living - what’s his incentive
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,630
Grendel said:
Well good for you. He also earns a 6 figure salary plus expenses and lives where he is happy living - what’s his incentive
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Didn’t say I expected it to happen just would be my preferred choice. Starmer also presumably would have been better off financially in law than politics
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,631
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Didn’t say I expected it to happen just would be my preferred choice. Starmer also presumably would have been better off financially in law than politics
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Burnham is in politics and admits is far happier where he is
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,632
Grendel said:
Burnham is in politics and admits is far happier where he is
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Just like Gove doesn't want to be PM
 

JAM See

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,633
Grendel said:
Well good for you. He also earns a 6 figure salary plus expenses and lives where he is happy living - what’s his incentive
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I dunno. Maybe he has the the best interests of the majority of the 65 million inhabitants of the UK at heart...

or maybe he wants to be...

Boris Johnson's 'dream to be world King' unearthed

BORIS JOHNSON dreamed of becoming "world King", an insider has claimed, as he begins his next challenge as Prime Minister following a week of turmoil in Downing Street.
www.express.co.uk
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,634
clint van damme said:
Just like Gove doesn't want to be PM
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And Boris wanted to leave the EU.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,635
It looks like things are coming to an end for ‘Mr Johnson’.
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,636
Sick Boy said:
It looks like things are coming to an end for ‘Mr Johnson’.
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To be replaced by some other hopeless c**t
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,637
clint van damme said:
To be replaced by some other hopeless c**t
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It’s safe to say it’s currently the worst PM, cabinet and government in my lifetime.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,638
Sick Boy said:
It’s safe to say it’s currently the worst PM, cabinet and government in my lifetime.
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And mine,and I'm 235.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,639
So that tax payer funded vanity photographer has finally come in handy
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,640
Sick Boy said:
It’s safe to say it’s currently the worst PM, cabinet and government in my lifetime.
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No contest
 
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