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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (16 Viewers)

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,571
David O'Day said:
interesting


If Larry the cat has resigned he's fucked
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Larry for PM!
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,572
If anymore people leave No.10 tonight they’re not going to have enough for a party.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,573
stupot07 said:
2 more from Number 10, PMs Private Secretary Martin Reynolds and Chief of Staff Dan Rosenfield
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Think they were off due to partygate mess anyway (agreed to resign rather than sacked)
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,574
CCFCSteve said:
Think they were off due to partygate mess anyway (agreed to resign rather than sacked)
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Was thinking the same. How many are resigning in faux outrage, how many are resigning because they’re culpable.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,575
Grendel said:
I do agree that we should scrap VAT and the green levy on fuel bills to balance it out as much as possible but in the end this will be a reality for many other aspects of our lives. I think I read some countries in Europe - Denmark being the worst - have had even higher increases - we have not invested sufficiently in nuclear power to mitigate the need for gas fired electricity
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I do actually agree on nuclear, but let’s examine the evidence on this government

Broke their own rules as others were fined 10 grand apiece
Jacked up NI while cutting taxes for the rich
Handed out billions in dubious contracts to close associates
Allowed well over 150,000 to die despite having the advantage of island status
Told schools to open under threat of legal action then closed them after a day

Come on, it’s kind of an embarrassment
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,576
It does go to prove though that if you vote for a clown you get the circus.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,577
skybluetony176 said:
It does go to prove though that if you vote for a clown you get the circus.
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what's the Turkish proverb, when the clown enters the palace he doesn't become a king, the palace becomes a circus.

Something like that.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,578
skybluetony176 said:
If anymore people leave No.10 tonight they’re not going to have enough for a party.
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Nah mate. Totally on it with that many leaving do's. There must be that much ambushing with cake it's more of an assault.
 

stupot07

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,579
The tories are trying to spin it that this is Johnson number 10 reshuffle, they really do think the public are idiots

 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,580
CCFCSteve said:
Think they were off due to partygate mess anyway (agreed to resign rather than sacked)
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I'm not sure i agree, i think Johnson would have made as big a noise as possible about sacking them, also 2 of them are staying on until their replacements are found.
 
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napolimp

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,581
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I'd love you to be right but I can't see it. It'll damage them a bit but they'll be quick to push the "new leader, new Tories" mantra and sadly far too many people will fall for it.

Even if people are suffering with energy bills, food bills, mortgage increases there will still be this weird over-riding belief that the Tories are more economically competent.
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I'm naturally pessimistic but I don't see the Tories being able to form a government in 2024. They rode the "Brexit" wave in 2019 and only saw minimal increase in voters. Labour suffered from poor policy, what appeared to be general inneptitude, and Corbyn, resulting in very poor voter turnout.

They are a different proposition now and more alligned to the centre, a party many Labour voters (who didn't turn out to vote for in 2019) will feel they can vote for now. Couple that with the fact that there will be a number of Tory voters who don't turnout because of the s**t show of the previous 5 years and general corruption, I think you've got enough seats for a labour coalition government. Just look at the thousands of labour voters who didn't turn up in Coventry last time out.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,582
stupot07 said:
The tories are trying to spin it that this is Johnson number 10 reshuffle, they really do think the public are idiots

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They’ve become like one of those terrorist groups where if someone blew up a balloon they’d claim responsibility for it.
 

oakey

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,583
It's like a school failing its OFSTED and the Head sacks the admin team
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,584
napolimp said:
I'm naturally pessimistic but I don't see the Tories being able to form a government in 2024. They rode the "Brexit" wave in 2019 and only saw minimal increase in voters. Labour suffered from poor policy, what appeared to be general inneptitude, and Corbyn, resulting in very poor voter turnout.

They are a different proposition now and more alligned to the centre, a party many Labour voters (who didn't turn out to vote for in 2019) will feel they can vote for now. Couple that with the fact that there will be a number of Tory voters who don't turnout because of the s**t show of the previous 5 years and general corruption, I think you've got enough seats for a labour coalition government. Just look at the thousands of labour voters who didn't turn up in Coventry last time out.
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Labour had more voters in 2019 than they did in 2015 or 2010.
Its problem will be that the younger voters it attracted that turned out in 2017 and 2019 probably won't bother to vote based on the current leader and policy agenda, so they have to hope enough people 'return' after having voted Tory in 2019. Might get a small majority but might not, boundary changes still to come.
 
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napolimp

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,585
fernandopartridge said:
Labour had more voters in 2019 than they did in 2015 or 2010.
Its problem will be that the younger voters it attracted that turned out in 2017 and 2019 probably won't bother to vote based on the current leader and policy agenda, so they have to hope enough people 'return' after having voted Tory in 2019. Might get a small majority but might not, boundary changes still to come.
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I'm thinking more about the Labour vote turnout in swing seats than the overall turnout, I think the overall increase can be attributed to new voters. I don't believe that many Labour voters turned conservative.
 

JAM See

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,586
CCFCSteve said:
Think they were off due to partygate mess anyway (agreed to resign rather than sacked)
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Letting staff resign, rather than sacking them for misconduct, makes a leader look weak.

I really hope they resigned voluntarily, because if they were 'allowed' to resign, I despair.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #10,587
Isn’t Crispen Blunt a snivelling little weasel. Boris is the victim.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,588
fernandopartridge said:
Labour had more voters in 2019 than they did in 2015 or 2010.
Its problem will be that the younger voters it attracted that turned out in 2017 and 2019 probably won't bother to vote based on the current leader and policy agenda, so they have to hope enough people 'return' after having voted Tory in 2019. Might get a small majority but might not, boundary changes still to come.
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We don’t run a national election. Number of votes overall means bugger all when you’re stacking them up in safe seats and haemorrhaging them in marginals.

If they get any majority at all after the 2019 bloodbath it’ll be a small miracle and more impressive than 1997.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,589
shmmeee said:
We don’t run a national election. Number of votes overall means bugger all when you’re stacking them up in safe seats and haemorrhaging them in marginals.

If they get any majority at all after the 2019 bloodbath it’ll be a small miracle and more impressive than 1997.
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That's just a load of bollocks.

I let you figure out why
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,590
Philosorapter said:
That's just a load of bollocks.

I let you figure out why
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Is it because you haven’t a fucking clue?
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,591
shmmeee said:
Is it because you haven’t a fucking clue?
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I haven't checked, but have you appeared in the bin strike thread yet?
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,592
*Check notes*
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,593
Philosorapter said:
I haven't checked, but have you appeared in the bin strike thread yet?
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You and Grendel should get together, you’d have a cracking game of ping pong.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,594
fernandopartridge said:
Labour had more voters in 2019 than they did in 2015 or 2010.
Its problem will be that the younger voters it attracted that turned out in 2017 and 2019 probably won't bother to vote based on the current leader and policy agenda, so they have to hope enough people 'return' after having voted Tory in 2019. Might get a small majority but might not, boundary changes still to come.
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I want to see Labour run on what they have to offer, instead of going ‘we aren’t them’. Just offer a positive campaign based mostly on economic solutions for working people.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,595
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I want to see Labour run on what they have to offer, instead of going ‘we aren’t them’. Just offer a positive campaign based mostly on economic solutions for working people.
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Labour’s current response to the cost of living crisis is to politely enquire if the water people are drowning in is of a comfortable temperature.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,596
Ian1779 said:
Labour’s current response to the cost of living crisis is to politely enquire if the water people are drowning in is of a comfortable temperature.
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Joe Biden won an election based on ‘I’m not Trump’, has achieved naff all since because he doesn’t believe in changing anything and now finds his approval rating as low as the man he replaced.

Have more ambition than that and more confidence that your ideas are better than the other side’s.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,597
shmmeee said:
You and Grendel should get together, you’d have a cracking game of ping pong.
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He doesn't half talk some shite
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,598
Looks like the Owen Paterson debacle still has some legs too. Apparently the government has been forced to hand over private messages between Owen Paterson and MHancock.
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,599
skybluetony176 said:
Looks like the Owen Paterson debacle still has some legs too. Apparently the government has been forced to hand over private messages between Owen Paterson and MHancock.
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Link please.

I've long held the belief that the OP affair was much more insidious than partygate.

I actually wrote to my MP (Craig Tracey, CON, voted FOR the amendment) to ask his reasons. Got a blah blah blah response.

I will follow up with another mail if there are more legs in this story.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,600
Johnnythespider said:
I'm not sure i agree, i think Johnson would have made as big a noise as possible about sacking them, also 2 of them are staying on until their replacements are found.
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By all accounts Johnson doesn’t like confrontation, so maybe there’s a deal done ie resign with a bit of dignity or get the boot. Or they jumped first knowing they’d be pushed. Reynolds and Rosenfield were 99% certain to go, plus one of the others I think. Not sure the other two were though
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,601
JAM See said:
Link please.

I've long held the belief that the OP affair was much more insidious than partygate.

I actually wrote to my MP (Craig Tracey, CON, voted FOR the amendment) to ask his reasons. Got a blah blah blah response.

I will follow up with another mail if there are more legs in this story.
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,602
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I want to see Labour run on what they have to offer, instead of going ‘we aren’t them’. Just offer a positive campaign based mostly on economic solutions for working people.
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Wait for an election campaign. You don’t release policy before then for a multitude of reasons, mostly that it all gets hung around your neck later. Especially when no one knows what the economy will look like in a year or two.

Every policy announcement uses up some political capital, which until recently Labour had very little of.

The energy response of a windfall tax and removal of VAT is about all you’ll get: specific responses to “well what would you do?” When an issue arises
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,603
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,604
shmmeee said:
Wait for an election campaign. You don’t release policy before then for a multitude of reasons, mostly that it all gets hung around your neck later. Especially when no one knows what the economy will look like in a year or two.

Every policy announcement uses up some political capital, which until recently Labour had very little of.

The energy response of a windfall tax and removal of VAT is about all you’ll get: specific responses to “well what would you do?” When an issue arises
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I’m not expecting policies right now. Just when the time comes I want an optimistic campaign
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 4, 2022
  • #10,605
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m not expecting policies right now. Just when the time comes I want an optimistic campaign
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Starmer and optimism there’s an interesting thought
 
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