I'm not Starmer's biggest fan but that was a decent performance. As ever the problem is not enough people pay attention to things like PMQs so you are reliant that the soundbites that make it to the mainstream media are representative of what those who watch PMQs have actually seen.
Think the victims of Saville kicking off could do him a lot of harm, especially as he has made comments like "£60m I saw as being spaffed up the wall on some investigation into historic child abuse" in the past.
Yeah but Fullfact is probably run by a bunch of socialists lesbian libtard metropolitan liberal elite types so take that with a pinch of salt.It's fine to lie, but if you call him a liar you get thrown out
It's a shite line of attack as you can't repeat it outside of parliament without getting sued
Oh dear Boris
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Fingers crossed they get to 54 ASAPOh Boris Laddddd!
Fingers crossed they get to 54 ASAP
I dunno, if he wins the no confidence vote, which he surely would, he'd be protected for twelve months. And unlike most normal Prime Ministers, could you see the loss of authority mean that he'd resignFingers crossed they get to 54 ASAP
I am enjoying the slow drip of death to be fair
That’s a massive gamble for the Conservatives. Vote to save him and he’s safe for another 12 months, another 12 months of sleaze and lies, another 12 months of Dominic Cummings releasing small cut after small cut, another 12 months of decreasing trust in a Tory government under Boris’ control. VS. Get rid of him now giving you the longest possible opportunity to recover from Boris before the next GE and also have a fall guy for the failed covid response, the failing brexit experiment, rising cost of living, failing economy etc etc.I dunno, if he wins the no confidence vote, which he surely would, he'd be protected for twelve months. And unlike most normal Prime Ministers, could you see the loss of authority mean that he'd resign
tbf that probably averted WW3but it’s a massive distraction, as highlighted by him missing call to Putin to be in HoC.
That’s a massive gamble for the Conservatives. Vote to save him and he’s safe for another 12 months, another 12 months of sleaze and lies, another 12 months of Dominic Cummings releasing small cut after small cut, another 12 months of decreasing trust in a Tory government under Boris’ control. VS. Get rid of him now giving you the longest possible opportunity to recover from Boris before the next GE and also have a fall guy for the failed covid response, the failing brexit experiment, rising cost of living, failing economy etc etc.
This is the party that stabbed Maggie in the back. Why wouldn’t they stab dead dog like Boris.
Fingers crossed they get to 54 ASAP
I am enjoying the slow drip of death to be fair
That is probably the plan. Keep him around long enough so they can stick every piece of shit on him rather than the party.I wonder if they’re waiting until after May elections and/or possibly something new and even more damming to be released from the Met report…confirmation of parties in his flat for example, which means he definitely lied to Parliament. If the May elections go as anticipated ie heavy Tory losses, the momentum for removal would mean it would be very hard for him to win a leadership contest.
While I'm enjoying them letting Boris die a death of 1,000 self-inflicted cuts, I'm torn about whether I'd prefer him to stay.
If he goes, Tories just bring in another person and we reset and everyone forgets everything that everyone else still around was complicit in. Gets the veneer of competence, probably calls a snap election relatively soon (citing the need to restore public faith in the system which they themselves had eroded) while they've got the bounce of a new leader and hey presto, Tories stay in yet again and we get another five years of failed policies. Longer Boris hangs around the more likelihood there is of ousting them. Lose the battle to win the war.
But there can be absolutely no way they'll even be considering having Boris in charge for another election.
You can’t of course - but they will try and square it off like this instead…It's a shite line of attack as you can't repeat it outside of parliament without getting sued
Do you think that the call with Putin would have delivered any value? Putin is far too clever and powerful to care about anything Johnson would have said to him. I worry more about what damage Johnson could have done in that call. His record of diplomacy as Foreign Secretary wasn't great was it?Maybe and Johnsons brought it upon himself but it’s a massive distraction, as highlighted by him missing call to Putin to be in HoC. theres a ton of pressing issues which are on the back burner currently and all we might get is ‘red meat policy’ shat to appease his own backbenches. That isn’t good whatever someone’s political persuasion
It also continues to further damage the public confidence, trust and faith in government and to an extent democracy (especially on the back of Trump/Biden shitshow). Not good times
“This failure occurred on his watch and was therefore, ultimately, his responsibility” possibly not the best thing for the Conservatives to be pushing at the moment given what's gone on under Johnsons watch.You can’t of course - but they will try and square it off like this instead…
Starmer needs to come out strongly on this and shut it down quickly.
Of course - but post Boris when he’s been ‘held to account’ and deposed?“This failure occurred on his watch and was therefore, ultimately, his responsibility” possibly not the best thing for the Conservatives to be pushing at the moment given what's gone on under Johnsons watch.
I think that’s possibly the most likely scenario. I just think any assumption that he’d win a vote of no confidence is misplaced. Regardless of whether that’s next week or after the May local elections. I think that once the opportunity is there he’s fucked. When the Spartans, ERG, CRG or whatever their cult are calling themselves today along with Red Wall Tories have the knives he’s had it. Even the front bench doesn’t seem to have a united front. Although I can’t work out if Sunak is keeping quiet because he’s trying to distance himself from Boris as much as possible ahead of his own leadership campaign or because he’s up to his neck in partygate and not denying and contradicting himself now affords himself the chance of rebuilding his political career in the future.I wonder if they’re waiting until after May elections and/or possibly something new and even more damming to be released from the Met report…confirmation of parties in his flat for example, which means he definitely lied to Parliament. If the May elections go as anticipated ie heavy Tory losses, the momentum for removal would mean it would be very hard for him to win a leadership contest.
I think you’ve got to look at when Maggie was ousted. Kinnock was smashing her in the polls, they got rid, Major come in with some new manager bounce and a good election campaign smashed Kinnock in the next GE defying the odds and the opinion polls in the most unlikely of victories. I suspect most Tory MP’s are currently considering that history.While I'm enjoying them letting Boris die a death of 1,000 self-inflicted cuts, I'm torn about whether I'd prefer him to stay.
If he goes, Tories just bring in another person and we reset and everyone forgets everything that everyone else still around was complicit in. Gets the veneer of competence, probably calls a snap election relatively soon (citing the need to restore public faith in the system which they themselves had eroded) while they've got the bounce of a new leader and hey presto, Tories stay in yet again and we get another five years of failed policies. Longer Boris hangs around the more likelihood there is of ousting them. Lose the battle to win the war.
But there can be absolutely no way they'll even be considering having Boris in charge for another election.
Actually, you might be right. It was so long ago.I'm sorry but I think Thatcher won the leadership contest so they didn't technically get rid of her. It was close enough that she thought she didn't have the confidence of her party though so did the honourable thing and resign. No chance of that these days.
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