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shmmeee

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  • Jan 19, 2022
  • #10,046
fernandopartridge said:
You are a silver spoon boy who doesn't care because the type of things he votes for have never been a concern for you
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He’s like 99% of MPs and votes with the whip of his party. Do you think he’s suddenly going to 180 the Labour policy platform from the back benches?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 19, 2022
  • #10,047
shmmeee said:
He’s like 99% of MPs and votes with the whip of his party. Do you think he’s suddenly going to 180 the Labour policy platform from the back benches?
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He joined the Tory party for reasons which I suspect is his political outlook being closely aligned with the Tory whip. He's hardly in the Tory heartlands here is he?

He's defected as he thinks it is expedient for his long term political career. It's a terrible terrible look for Labour to welcome such an individual.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 19, 2022
  • #10,048
Members of the public in Bury South on the 10 o'clock news fuming with one asking "what's the point in voting?"....

....Good question!
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 19, 2022
  • #10,049
shmmeee said:
He’s like 99% of MPs and votes with the whip of his party. Do you think he’s suddenly going to 180 the Labour policy platform from the back benches?
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Yeah this.

He's clearly a bit of a tosser but he's not the first and won't be the last tosser to join Labour.

He'll obviously follow the whip. Much rather he be following the whip for Labour than on the other side.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 19, 2022
  • #10,050
PVA said:
Yeah this.

He's clearly a bit of a tosser but he's not the first and won't be the last tosser to join Labour.

He'll obviously follow the whip. Much rather he be following the whip for Labour than on the other side.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 19, 2022
  • #10,051
fernandopartridge said:
He joined the Tory party for reasons which I suspect is his political outlook being closely aligned with the Tory whip. He's hardly in the Tory heartlands here is he?

He's defected as he thinks it is expedient for his long term political career. It's a terrible terrible look for Labour to welcome such an individual.
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Beggars can’t be choosers
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,052
fernandopartridge said:
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Good one. You seem absolutely desperate for the Labour Party to fail. Are you a Corbynista?
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,053
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Members of the public in Bury South on the 10 o'clock news fuming with one asking "what's the point in voting?"....

....Good question!
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In theory you're supposed to vote for an MP, not a party.

That's not what actually happens though for the majority of people of course
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,054
PVA said:
Good one. You seem absolutely desperate for the Labour Party to fail. Are you a Corbynista?
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No, I'm not a 'Corbynista'
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,055
PVA said:
Good one. You seem absolutely desperate for the Labour Party to fail. Are you a Corbynista?
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Didn't you vote for Corbyn?
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,056
clint van damme said:
Didn't you vote for Corbyn?
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Im Sure he said in the past he doesn’t vote labour
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,057
fernandopartridge said:
No, I'm not a 'Corbynista'
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OK. But you are a labour voter is that right?
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,058
clint van damme said:
Didn't you vote for Corbyn?
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Yes but not because I wanted Corbyn as Prime Minister, but because I didn't want Boris johnson as Prime Minister.

It was a choice between having your arm chopped off or getting kicked in the teeth. I went for the less shit of the two options.

Though I liked some of his policies I certainly am no Corbyn fan, I can't stand the guy. Starmer is a million times better.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,059
Grendel said:
Im Sure he said in the past he doesn’t vote labour
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I never said that.

I might have said that I am a floating voter. I'm not welded to Labour like supporting a football team.

Anyway.

I do remember when you said no one cares about parties.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,060
fernandopartridge said:
He joined the Tory party for reasons which I suspect is his political outlook being closely aligned with the Tory whip. He's hardly in the Tory heartlands here is he?

He's defected as he thinks it is expedient for his long term political career. It's a terrible terrible look for Labour to welcome such an individual.
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If anything it’s given Johnson a stay of execution

Starmer clearly doesn’t care about whose in his party or what they stand for

Are labour voters in a constituency going to vote for a Tory - hilarious stuff
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,061
Grendel said:
If anything it’s given Johnson a stay of execution

Starmer clearly doesn’t care about whose in his party or what they stand for

Are labour voters in a constituency going to vote for a Tory - hilarious stuff
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So you don’t think there should be a by-election? Because people vote for MPs not parties.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,062
Grendel said:
If anything it’s given Johnson a stay of execution

Starmer clearly doesn’t care about whose in his party or what they stand for

Are labour voters in a constituency going to vote for a Tory - hilarious stuff
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Completely agree with this, increasingly looks like this has, at least for now, saved Johnson.

I get the argument that Labour has to be a broad church but not sure you have much credibility if you're admitting someone to the party who, according to leaked WhatsApp messages has been calling the Labour Party a 'bunch of c**ts' and generally taking shots at the shadow cabinet, while at the same time kicking out anyone who supports any views that are vaguely left wing.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,063
shmmeee said:
So you don’t think there should be a by-election? Because people vote for MPs not parties.
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Probably and no I don’t in answer to your follow up question

Surely there’s someone selected by the local party to stand at the election when it comes. What actually happens to them?

Switching from labour to Tory is pretty rare from what I see
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,064
shmmeee said:
So you don’t think there should be a by-election? Because people vote for MPs not parties.
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Well Wakeford himself sponsored a bill proposing that a recall petition should be automatically triggered if a MP changed political affiliation.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,065
Giving Johnson a stay of execution is a good thing for Labour's prospects.

The longer he stays in charge the more damage he does.

He'll probably now go after the bloodbath local elections.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,066
chiefdave said:
Well Wakeford himself sponsored a bill proposing that a recall petition should be automatically triggered if a MP changed political affiliation.
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If the voting public switch back to Tory guess he will try and wander back again
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,067
Labour should be a broad church but if they can welcome a guy that voted for flooding our rivers with shite, not giving food to hungry kids and restricting the right to protest then they can certainly welcome a lifelong member and activist who has been an MP for decades, is still a member and was their leader a few years ago.

This isn’t broad church politics it’s PR and they’re showing hundreds of thousands of people they’re not wanted.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,068
Apparently 5 more red wall Tories are considering defecting...
 

Ian1779

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,069
PVA said:
Yes but not because I wanted Corbyn as Prime Minister, but because I didn't want Boris johnson as Prime Minister.

It was a choice between having your arm chopped off or getting kicked in the teeth. I went for the less shit of the two options.

Though I liked some of his policies I certainly am no Corbyn fan, I can't stand the guy. Starmer is a million times better.
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Starmer is ruthless and will drop/switch his position in a heartbeat if he thinks it will benefit him. Take his position on nationalisation of energy - in his leadership run he was all for it… now he’s on LBC saying he doesn’t agree, when it has broadly cross-political support from voters, and also in the middle of a energy crisis for a lot of people.

He has no vision, plan or ideas to move the country forward.
He’s obsessed with power IMO.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,070
chiefdave said:
Well Wakeford himself sponsored a bill proposing that a recall petition should be automatically triggered if a MP changed political affiliation.
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Bring it on then, Labour will walk Bury South in any election now
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,071
David O'Day said:
Bring it on then, Labour will walk Bury South in any election now
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And with open selection I doubt they would chose such a charlatan to represent them.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,072
Ian1779 said:
Starmer is ruthless and will drop/switch his position in a heartbeat if he thinks it will benefit him. Take his position on nationalisation of energy - in his leadership run he was all for it… now he’s on LBC saying he doesn’t agree, when it has broadly cross-political support from voters, and also in the middle of a energy crisis for a lot of people.

He has no vision, plan or ideas to move the country forward.
He’s obsessed with power IMO.
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And you can't do anything if you are not in power.

I'd rather we won elections than became a 6th form debating society
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,073
Ian1779 said:
Starmer is ruthless and will drop/switch his position in a heartbeat if he thinks it will benefit him. Take his position on nationalisation of energy - in his leadership run he was all for it… now he’s on LBC saying he doesn’t agree, when it has broadly cross-political support from voters, and also in the middle of a energy crisis for a lot of people.

He has no vision, plan or ideas to move the country forward.
He’s obsessed with power IMO.
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He is incapable of being Prime Minister

Yesterday he could have delivered a knock out blow instead he decided to try and make a joke - it was funny but he seemed more pleased with that - Johnson was allowed to come back - Starmer is IDS mark 2 shocking
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,074
Liquid Gold said:
Abs with open selection I doubt they would chose such a charlatan to represent them.
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If it was a snap by election it won't be open selection.

Also when interviewed the local CLP is actually ok with this.
 

Ian1779

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,075
David O'Day said:
And you can't do anything if you are not in power.

I'd rather we won elections than became a 6th form debating society
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He won’t be in power unless he gets into bed with Sturgeon anyway.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,076
Ian1779 said:
He won’t be in power unless he gets into bed with Sturgeon anyway.
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That is just nonsense and you know it
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,077
Grendel said:
He is incapable of being Prime Minister
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Haha coming from the bloke who idolises 'Mr Johnson'. Incredible.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,078
David O'Day said:
And you can't do anything if you are not in power.

I'd rather we won elections than became a 6th form debating society
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I'd rather elections were won by somebody that was planning on fixing the structural inequalities in British society that stop people lumping for Boris Johnson and Brexit as their only options.

This liberal bullshit of 'slightly better than the other side' isn't improving things. Look at the polling in America. We're going to end up with Trump coming back more emboldened than ever. In Britain the country doesn't need a one term Labour government that does nothing of note to change things and lets a refreshed Tories back in a few years later.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,079
David O'Day said:
That is just nonsense and you know it
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With the planned boundary changes on top I very much disagree.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jan 20, 2022
  • #10,080
PVA said:
In theory you're supposed to vote for an MP, not a party.

That's not what actually happens though for the majority of people of course
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Yeah...but that theory is not the reality for 99% of the voting public.

This rosette swapping by opportunistic careerist politicians is just another big FUCK OFF from the politcal class to Joe public ......

I've been voting for over 30 years and the ONLY time my vote has EVER counted for anything other than a token protest was the EU referendum....
 
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