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clint van damme

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,696
rob9872 said:
Because it didn't actually affect anyone. They were inside all day working together. If they'd stayed behind and had a coffee nothing would've mattered. Outside is actually safer. The only difference is it was called a party and they had some wine. Boohoo.
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The illegal VIP channel for the awarding of PPE contracts affects everyone in the country though, I'm sure you'd agree heads should roll for that?
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,697
clint van damme said:
The illegal VIP channel for the awarding of PPE contracts affects everyone in the country though, I'm sure you'd agree heads should roll for that?
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Tbh I don't know enough about it still only tabloid headlines, but yes absolutely far more important than a supposed party.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,698
rob9872 said:
Because it didn't actually affect anyone. They were inside all day working together. If they'd stayed behind and had a coffee nothing would've mattered. Outside is actually safer. The only difference is it was called a party and they had some wine. Boohoo.
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What do you mean it didn't affect anyone?

What about the who got fined for doing exactly what these pricks did?

What about the people who didn't get to say goodbye to loved ones while these pricks were quaffing wine?

If they don't follow the rules then why should anyone else?

It's utterly absurd to say it didn't affect anyone.
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,699
PVA said:
What do you mean it didn't affect anyone?

What about the who got fined for doing exactly what these pricks did?

What about the people who didn't get to say goodbye to loved ones while these pricks were quaffing wine?

If they don't follow the rules then why should anyone else?

It's utterly absurd to say it didn't affect anyone.
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The absolute irony of people asking for fine refunds whilst shouting down the PM is hypocrisy of the highest. It's either right or wrong.

Again, them quaffing or however you call it at the end of a working day killed nobody.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,700
rob9872 said:
The absolute irony of people asking for fine refunds whilst shouting down the PM is hypocrisy of the highest. It's either right or wrong.

Again, them quaffing or however you call it at the end of a working day killed nobody.
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Right, so the deciding factor of good or bad behaviour is whether it killed someone or not.

To be fair that probably is how Tories and Tory voters think actually.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,701
rob9872 said:
Tbh I don't know enough about it still only tabloid headlines, but yes absolutely far more important than a supposed party.
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So 8f this party malarkey is what it takes to bring down the PM who oversaw the PPE scandal then so be it, bit like getting Al Capone on tax offences!!
 
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JAM See

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,702
Grendel said:
Politics really is about the here and now at election time

Labour leads Conservatives by 12 points in poll

Guardian/ICM poll gives Ed Miliband's party 41% of vote and David Cameron's 29% – the biggest gap in almost a decade
amp.theguardian.com
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Sadly, probably correct.

Owen Paterson anyone?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,703
PVA said:
Right, so the deciding factor of good or bad behaviour is whether it killed someone or not.

To be fair that probably is how Tories and Tory voters think actually.
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Most on the right, certainly the newer voters, are for law and order and following the rules really. That’s why this is hitting so hard in the polls.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,704
Also can I just highlight the irony in Grendel talking about the here and now mattering yet still bringing up New Labour from a quarter of a century ago. Anyway, as you were.
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,705
Another ‘nothing’ party….

 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,706
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,707
rob9872 said:
4 years into a supposed shit show, a world pandemic ongoing, wtf would they normally be debating and yet still the best attack the opposition have is 'yeah but you went to a party in your garden 18 months ago'. Whatever you might think about Boris, if I was a Labour voter I'd be genuinely concerned at the lack of genuine substance.
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They've gone for the substance and it's had a muted response. Partygate and Barnard Castle are trivial compared to the actual shit they've done, but those are the things that have got more traction, maybe because it relates to what they had to do instead at the time and is relatively simple to understand and get angry at.

I'm sure Labour and the other parties would love to be able to work the substance angle (no, I'm not talking about Gove) because they'd have an absolute landslide waiting for them and a Tory party that would take many years to regain the public's trust. But sadly that's not the way it works.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,708
Skybluefaz said:
Context is important is it not? It's not just 'going to a party in your back garden' is it? Labour tried to get the vat on energy cut to help with the cost of living. Obviously voted down.
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A Tory MP had the whip removed for voting for that VAT cut. However, plenty of others pretty much blantantly involved in corruption, ruling breaking and cover-ups, not to mention just plain old-fashioned incompetence, are not just still in the party, they're in the Cabinet and looking to become even more influential and powerful.

It is now a party that stinks to the core.
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,709
Telegraph going in for the kill by not putting it behind their paywall.

A booze run to fill a suitcase with wine: The full story of our exclusive on those Downing Street parties

While No 10 staff partied, the Queen was preparing to grieve alone at the funeral of Prince Philip because of Covid restrictions
www.telegraph.co.uk
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,710
PVA said:
Right, so the deciding factor of good or bad behaviour is whether it killed someone or not.

To be fair that probably is how Tories and Tory voters think actually.
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No, they couldn't give a shit if it killed anyone or not. Their handling of the pandemic proved that.

Their deciding factors on good or bad behaviour are:
1. Will it be popular?
2. Can we get away with it?
3. Do we make any money from it?
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,711
rob9872 said:
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That is probably the funniest thing I've read so far this year
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,712
Philosorapter said:
Telegraph going in for the kill by not putting it behind their paywall.

A booze run to fill a suitcase with wine: The full story of our exclusive on those Downing Street parties

While No 10 staff partied, the Queen was preparing to grieve alone at the funeral of Prince Philip because of Covid restrictions
www.telegraph.co.uk
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Whilst the guy whos leaving party it was (and now a political editor at the Sun) is churning out stories about Chinese spys that are 5 years old in a pathetic attempt to turn the heat off Boris (and then himself)
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,713
Skybluefaz said:
Do you not think such poor polling will do for Johnson?
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Address him by his full title please.

It's Mr Johnson.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,714
If Russell Slade and Clive Eakin had a baby.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,715

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,716
rob9872 said:
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This is just such perfect Facebook nonsense that has radicalised your granddad

The capitalisation
The subjective achievements
"Get real"
"please share"

So fucking good you couldn't parody it any better.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,717
The poll lead for Labour isn't as good as it seems at first look.

Apparently a shit tonne (like 30% of conservatives) have gone to don't know/will not vote and only a small amount has gone to Labour while a similar figure has left Labour for Greens.

All we're seeing in the polls is a load of tories being unsure and non committal. I'm sure come crunch time they'd return as if there was any time to go for bland Starmer it would be now while Johnson is showing what a clown show he is.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,718
stupot07 said:

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When did they actually do any work? I remember Ministers using the nonsense phrase 'we're working around the clock' a lot but clearly they really weren't.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,719
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If Russell Slade and Clive Eakin had a baby.
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Every time I see this fella I think it's someone sending up Boris Johnson.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,720
Ian1779 said:
Whilst the guy whos leaving party it was (and now a political editor at the Sun) is churning out stories about Chinese spys that are 5 years old in a pathetic attempt to turn the heat off Boris (and then himself)
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A 5yo spy would be a bit useless, surely?!?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 13, 2022
  • #9,721
I've suggested it before but what's going to come next is:

Tories install new leader

New leader makes an implicit admission that some Covid restrictions may have been disproportionate (e.g. open air meeting), or maybe commissions a report into them

Labour flounders in the face of not having opposed any of the restrictions
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 14, 2022
  • #9,722
fernandopartridge said:
I've suggested it before but what's going to come next is:

Tories install new leader

New leader makes an implicit admission that some Covid restrictions may have been disproportionate (e.g. open air meeting), or maybe commissions a report into them

Labour flounders in the face of not having opposed any of the restrictions
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Will they not just say it was following the science etc?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 14, 2022
  • #9,723
Skybluefaz said:
Will they not just say it was following the science etc?
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No, it isn't going to wash with the demographic they're chasing who already half blame scientists anyway
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 14, 2022
  • #9,724
stupot07 said:

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The forelock tuggers dilemma.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 14, 2022
  • #9,725
rob9872 said:
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Which of these do you have as your profile picture on Facebook?:

A) a motorbike
B) you holding a fish
C) a dog
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 14, 2022
  • #9,726
PVA said:
Which of these do you have as your profile picture on Facebook?:

A) a motorbike
B) you holding a fish
C) a dog
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So easily triggered, it's copied ffs and thought it would be a fun place to post it. Anyhow I don't do Facebook but if I did it would be

D) Me dressed as Boris teabagging you mum
 

SBAndy

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  • Jan 14, 2022
  • #9,727
rob9872 said:
So easily triggered, it's copied ffs and thought it would be a fun place to post it. Anyhow I don't do Facebook but if I did it would be

D) Me dressed as Boris teabagging you mum
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And just to confirm, you are a fully grown adult?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 14, 2022
  • #9,728
fernandopartridge said:
I've suggested it before but what's going to come next is:

Tories install new leader

New leader makes an implicit admission that some Covid restrictions may have been disproportionate (e.g. open air meeting), or maybe commissions a report into them

Labour flounders in the face of not having opposed any of the restrictions
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Could happen. Best thing for Labour is Johnson hanging on but you’re right, as this is on ‘his watch’ a new leader to come in, say they’ll run a tight ship etc may help. I do feel the ‘political gravity’ (I cringe using that phrase but will ) is against the Tories though and likely very little good news in the short term/ahead of an election, other than maybe getting out the pandemic a bit quicker than others
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 14, 2022
  • #9,729
Need to get me a job at number 10, they love a swig.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 14, 2022
  • #9,730
Nick said:
Need to get me a job at number 10, they love a swig.
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Cheap bar in Parliament too.
 
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