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clint van damme

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,241
TomRad85 said:
Wonder if they'll get a thank you for lending their votes.

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They did
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,242
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What swung it wasn’t a thousand Labour votes going the other way but an enormous number of pissed off Tories.
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Well it's both.

Labour didn't lose 12pts because of pissed off Tories did they
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,243
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
"People" in ONE constituency out of 650.
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Same thing happened in Chesham.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,244
TomRad85 said:
Wonder if they'll get a thank you for lending their votes.

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Well they did, but the ones I know will be back voting Tory if Boris goes away and the ‘sleaze’ gets sorted. As a historically Labour man myself I’ve always just seen the Lib Dems as a party that generally facilitates the Tories more than it obstructs.

That and the likes of Tim ‘Bugs Bunny’ Farron, Jo ‘I believe that you believe that’ Swinson and Ed ‘Yoga Master’ Davey are a far cry from Ashdown and Kennedy.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,245
PVA said:
Well it's both.

Labour didn't lose 12pts because of pissed off Tories did they
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Well the actual number of votes we’re talking about is relatively small so any % will seem scarier than it is.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,246
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He’s trying to cure it with green tea the last I heard
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Yoga and green tea. Terrible.

Far worse than giving contracts to your mates and flouting the very rules you impose on everyone else.

Don't worry about the 150,000 deaths from covid, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan and failed Brexit. Yoga and green tea is the real problem.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,247
Deleted member 9744 said:
Yoga and green tea. Terrible.

Far worse than giving contracts to your mates and flouting the very rules you impose on everyone else.

Don't worry about the 150,000 deaths from covid, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan and failed Brexit. Yoga and green tea is the real problem.
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If I lived there I’d have voted LD to stop a Tory getting in. Doesn’t mean I have to think Ed Davey isn’t a prat
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,248
 
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David O'Day

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,249
clint van damme said:
Ed Davey played down the idea when he was interviewed on the radio earlier.
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They can't come out and say it though as that allows it to weaponised against them.
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,250
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
"People" in ONE constituency out of 650.
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3 so far to be fair but that is all we have to go on.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,251
David O'Day said:
But lads there was no progressive alliance/anyone but the tories voting
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This strategy is only of benefit to the liberal democrats, of course they're going to suggest it's a good idea
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,252
fernandopartridge said:
This strategy is only of benefit to the liberal democrats, of course they're going to suggest it's a good idea
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It saw the Labour vote rise in The Bexley and Sidcup by-election

Also there are a lot of Tory/Labour Marginals where it can help Labour

Sorry but you are just wrong in this instance
 
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David O'Day

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,253
David O'Day said:
It saw the Labour vote rise in The Bexley and Sidcup by-election

Also there are a lot of Tory/Labour Marginals where it can help Labour

Sorry but you are just wrong in this instance
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Seats were "anyone but tory" voting can help Labour

Labour Targets Seats 2029 - Election Polling

Lists of Labour target seats for the 2029 general election and regional elections ordered by percentage swing needed.
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wingy

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,254
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well they did, but the ones I know will be back voting Tory if Boris goes away and the ‘sleaze’ gets sorted. As a historically Labour man myself I’ve always just seen the Lib Dems as a party that generally facilitates the Tories more than it obstructs.

That and the likes of Tim ‘Bugs Bunny’ Farron, Jo ‘I believe that you believe that’ Swinson and Ed ‘Yoga Master’ Davey are a far cry from Ashdown and Kennedy.
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Clegg sold thier soul for the spotlight of a moment in the sun.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,255
wingy said:
Clegg sold thier soul for the spotlight of a moment in the sun.
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And like Labour in 2014, then the DUP a few years ago, the Tories you helped out will only be too happy to shaft you at the next opportunity.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,256
David O'Day said:
Seats were "anyone but tory" voting can help Labour

Labour Targets Seats 2029 - Election Polling

Lists of Labour target seats for the 2029 general election and regional elections ordered by percentage swing needed.
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And in the top 10 most vulnerable Labour seats you have two Coventry ones and Leamington + Warwick. Mr Western and his local party might come to regret their conduct when this one comes around
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,257
Labour in an alliance with a bunch of fruit loops who’ve nothing in common with core labour values

Wow really progressive
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,258
PVA said:
Cringey or not its the best way for Labour to get in power.

They won't win if they battle against Lib Dems in tight constituencies.

Thankfully people finally seem to be seeing sense and realise that the best way to get the Tories out is for the majority of the country who don't want a tory government to work together, not against each other.
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You don’t need it and the messaging is counter productive. When Labour are moderate Tories switch to Lib Dem without fear. Allying with the likes of Greens and PC/SNP would scare them off again.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,259
Grendel said:
Labour in an alliance with a bunch of fruit loops who’ve nothing in common with core labour values

Wow really progressive
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The SNP idea is even more laughable
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,260
Brighton Sky Blue said:
And in the top 10 most vulnerable Labour seats you have two Coventry ones and Leamington + Warwick. Mr Western and his local party might come to regret their conduct when this one comes around
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Not really as Voting at the Local and Mayoral elections was back to pre 2019 patterns. The Labour Party in Coventry is in a Pretty strong place.

Oh well
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,261
David O'Day said:
Not really as Voting at the Local and Mayoral elections was back to pre 2019 patterns. The Labour Party in Coventry is in a Pretty strong place.

Oh well
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I was referring to L+W
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,262
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I was referring to L+W
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I doubt L+W with it's large student populations is going to change hands.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,263
David O'Day said:
I doubt L+W with it's large student populations is going to change hands.
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It had one in 2019
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,264
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It had one in 2019
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Yeah and it didn't change hands in a massive clusterfuck of an election for Labour. W+L is a great example actually of where Lib Dems voting Labour would stop a tory gaining a seat.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,265
David O'Day said:
Yeah and it didn't change hands in a massive clusterfuck of an election for Labour. W+L is a great example actually of where Lib Dems voting Labour would stop a tory gaining a seat.
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Perhaps the MP could be arsed to reply to his constituents and his local party members might not abuse voters on the doorstep
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,266
David O'Day said:
I doubt L+W with it's large student populations is going to change hands.
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It's an odd consituency though, traditionally Conservative voters mixed in with a large cluster of students etc.

FWIW, my dealings with the MP, I've found him to be very good. The local party...less so in recent years.
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,267
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's an odd consituency though, traditionally Conservative voters mixed in with a large cluster of students etc.

FWIW, my dealings with the MP, I've found him to be very good. The local party...less so in recent years.
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Yeah he is it seems. The local party has always been a bit a of a weird one. Apart from between 2010 and 2017 they have had the MP but no real power on the council
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,268
I think there’s serious problems if you’re expecting any kind of swing away from Labour after the disaster of 2019. If we start losing Cov South and the like there’s far bigger concerns for the party than can we get a majority.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 17, 2021
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shmmeee said:
I think there’s serious problems if you’re expecting any kind of swing away from Labour after the disaster of 2019. If we start losing Cov South and the like there’s far bigger concerns for the party than can we get a majority.
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Those seats were both small majorities partly because they parachuted in 'outsiders' too, Fletcher still had a large majority. Whatever your view of their political leanings, both new MPs seem to work pretty hardfor their constituents, so you'd assume that'd be enough in a practical sense to make them more secure at any future election.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,270
Deleted member 5849 said:
Those seats were both small majorities partly because they parachuted in 'outsiders' too, Fletcher still had a large majority. Whatever your viewof their political leanings, both new MPs seem to work pretty hardfor their constituents, so you'd assume that'd be enough in a practical sense to make them more secureat any future election.
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Yeah I can’t stand Sultana but she’s improved as she’s gone on so I’d hope she’s hit her bottom. I’d still rather she was replaced mind you. Absolute fruitcake.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 17, 2021
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Grendel said:
Labour in an alliance with a bunch of fruit loops who’ve nothing in common with core labour values

Wow really progressive
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Fruit loops? Great deflection.

Basing policy on what Peppa Pig would do and saying that boys commit crimes because Dr Who is played by a woman. Yoga and green tea isn't the problem.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,272
shmmeee said:
Yeah I can’t stand Sultana but she’s improved as she’s gone on so I’d hope she’s hit her bottom. I’d still rather she was replaced mind you. Absolute fruitcake.
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Seems to be popular with the local voters here in coventry south. As NW said she is quite visible in the work she does on local issues.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,273
Deleted member 9744 said:
Fruit loops? Great deflection.

Basing policy on what Peppa Pig would do and saying that boys commit crimes because Dr Who is played by a woman. Yoga and green tea isn't the problem.
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Nobody said it was. Just why I dislike Ed Davey though it’s amusing for you to join in the assumption he enjoys both those things
 

Nick

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,274
shmmeee said:
Yeah I can’t stand Sultana but she’s improved as she’s gone on so I’d hope she’s hit her bottom. I’d still rather she was replaced mind you. Absolute fruitcake.
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Sounds like sour grapes to me.
 
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stupot07

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  • Dec 17, 2021
  • #9,275
Nick said:
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
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I've noticed she's got better at raisin important issues in parliament

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