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Grendel

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  • Dec 9, 2021
  • #8,961
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If he really is happy to bloat the welfare state he has an odd way of showing it. He is simply governed in the same way Trump was, whoever is the last person in the room to speak to him persuades him to go with their ideas.

His premiership is a good mirror to the general state that the UK finds itself in-clinging on to past glories.
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You certainly don’t teach politics do you?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 9, 2021
  • #8,962
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 9, 2021
  • #8,963
Grendel said:
You certainly don’t teach politics do you?
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Most politics lessons in my experience are run as inductions to the Conservative Party. Johnson as leader really is an embarrassment to the UK on the international stage-I don’t think there is much doubt of that.

Curious to know how long you think the Union has left too.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 9, 2021
  • #8,964
Starmer stepping it up a notch. Much more bullish now


 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 9, 2021
  • #8,965
PVA said:
Starmer stepping it up a notch. Much more bullish now


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Starmer is an idiot "Dear Government, change your leader now it looks like his popularity is waning. We're not saying the Conservative party is a rotten edifice unfit to govern just the current Prime Minister"
 
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Finham

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,966
Grendel said:
You truly are a gift to people like me - genuinely amusing and tragic in equal measure
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There are others?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,967
fernandopartridge said:
Starmer is an idiot "Dear Government, change your leader now it looks like his popularity is waning. We're not saying the Conservative party is a rotten edifice unfit to govern just the current Prime Minister"
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They're only in power because of Johnson's personality which many people seem to like for some inexplicable reason. He goes and they have nothing to appeal to anybody apart from self interested rich people. In a Government of such low competence a leader like Sunak would not have any chance of maintaining public support.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,968
Deleted member 9744 said:
They're only in power because of Johnson's personality which many people seem to like for some inexplicable reason. He goes and they have nothing to appeal to anybody apart from self interested rich people. In a Government of such low competence a leader like Sunak would not have any chance of maintaining public support.
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Apart from he'd be seen as a refreshing change and, indeed, competent.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,969
They are all absolute posh, silver spoon pussies when it comes down to it.

Get some of this to liven it up

 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,970
Deleted member 5849 said:
Apart from he'd be seen as a refreshing change and, indeed, competent.
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What got a lot of Brexiters on board with the Tories was promises of investment post Brexit. I had mates telling me how excited they were there would be so many jobs with all the infrastructure Boris wanted to build. Sunak is an unreconstructed Thatcherite who will slash spending so I can’t see him holding on to red wall voters TBH.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,971
shmmeee said:
What got a lot of Brexiters on board with the Tories was promises of investment post Brexit. I had mates telling me how excited they were there would be so many jobs with all the infrastructure Boris wanted to build. Sunak is an unreconstructed Thatcherite who will slash spending so I can’t see him holding on to red wall voters TBH.
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He will ultimately. Atm however, he's the bloke who spent a lot on furlough and gave us Eat Out to Help Out
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,972
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,973
skybluetony176 said:
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The fact they keep denying it , despite clear evidence to suggest otherwise (let's be honest , they obviously have the evidence ) is what is worst .

It's suggests the more they keep acting like nothing happens it will just go away , he will chop many more heads before he chops his own
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,974
shmmeee said:
What got a lot of Brexiters on board with the Tories was promises of investment post Brexit. I had mates telling me how excited they were there would be so many jobs with all the infrastructure Boris wanted to build. Sunak is an unreconstructed Thatcherite who will slash spending so I can’t see him holding on to red wall voters TBH.
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Agree.

Whenever Johnson goes they'll get a short term bump in the polls.

But in losing Johnson they'll lose a lot of voters. He's ripped up the party and they don't really stand for anything anymore. They'll lose the people who voted for him because of Brexit, the people who voted for him because 'he's a bit of a character and has funny hair' and (this is not specific to Johnson but more an overall point) the people who wanted anyone but Corbyn.

They are going to lose a huge chunk of votes at the next GE. Whether it's enough to kick them out remains to be seen, but I think it'll be very close.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,975
Latest Yougov poll:


 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,976
Heard an interview with Clifton-Brown from the 1922 committee, sounds like Johnson is OK for now but they expect him to buck his ideas up once he's off paternity leave.

Think anyone worried about further lockdowns can relax because they're firmly against it and I dont think Johnson is on firm enough ground to go toe to toe with them at the minute.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,977
Oh maybe it'll happen sooner than we think...

 
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Nick

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,978
Evo1883 said:
The fact they keep denying it
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Dont know what you're on about, there was no party but no rules were broken for said party.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,979
PVA said:
Agree.

Whenever Johnson goes they'll get a short term bump in the polls.

But in losing Johnson they'll lose a lot of voters. He's ripped up the party and they don't really stand for anything anymore. They'll lose the people who voted for him because of Brexit, the people who voted for him because 'he's a bit of a character and has funny hair' and (this is not specific to Johnson but more an overall point) the people who wanted anyone but Corbyn.

They are going to lose a huge chunk of votes at the next GE. Whether it's enough to kick them out remains to be seen, but I think it'll be very close.
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At some point they’ll start to go after Starmer as a person in the same way they did Miliband and Corbyn. There will be people now digging through his work as DPP looking for things they can use later on.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,980
Ian1779 said:
At some point they’ll start to go after Starmer as a person in the same way they did Miliband and Corbyn. There will be people now digging through his work as DPP looking for things they can use later on.
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It's been done already. There was stuff about him letting Jimmy Saville of being shared, even by some Tory MP I think. They went after him for buying up land that turned out was for his poorly Mum's donkey sanctuary or something. There will of course be more but I feel he's so 'boring' that it won't be easy to get stuff to stick as it was with Jezza.

Edit: Ha ha, of course it was Nadine Dorries who shared and later deleted a doctored video aimed to make Starmer look like he was protecting grooming gangs. How's that online hate bill coming along Nadine?
 
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JAM See

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,981
Ian1779 said:
At some point they’ll start to go after Starmer as a person in the same way they did Miliband and Corbyn. There will be people now digging through his work as DPP looking for things they can use later on.
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It's madness.

Johnson was sacked twice for lying before he became an MP, but that's okay as it's before he served in government.

Any member of the opposition has their entire life scrutinised, looking for perceived impropriety.

You'd almost think that the balanced media had an agenda.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,982
JAM See said:
It's madness.

Johnson was sacked twice for lying before he became an MP, but that's okay as it's before he served in government.

Any member of the opposition has their entire life scrutinised, looking for perceived impropriety.

You'd almost think that the balanced media had an agenda.
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How do you know Mr Johnson has been sacked twice?
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,983
PVA said:
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Should be much higher , Labour should be in the 40s

Stop wasting votes on green and lib dems if you want actual change people , labour can't do it without your votes
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,984
Evo1883 said:
Should be much higher , Labour should be in the 40s

Stop wasting votes on green and lib dems if you want actual change people , labour can't do it without your votes
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PVA

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,985
Grendel said:
How do you know Mr Johnson has been sacked twice?
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Because he quite literally was sacked twice for lying.

Why are you so averse to facts surrounding 'Mr Johnson'?
 
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Northants Sky Blue

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,986
Barely 2 years in the big house and knifes are already sharpened.

He may yet see this off but the shine s worn off way quicker than anticipated
 

Jamesimus

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,987
Northants Sky Blue said:
Barely 2 years in the big house and knifes are already sharpened.

He may yet see this off but the shine s worn off way quicker than anticipated
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After everything he has presided over, the biggest shock is that he's still there!
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,988
Deleted member 9744 said:
They're only in power because of Johnson's personality which many people seem to like for some inexplicable reason. He goes and they have nothing to appeal to anybody apart from self interested rich people. In a Government of such low competence a leader like Sunak would not have any chance of maintaining public support.
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I think the Brexit message had the biggest say, or at least in the scale of the victory, but if it had been down solely to personality Johnson was going to win over Corbyn.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,989
Deleted member 5849 said:
Apart from he'd be seen as a refreshing change and, indeed, competent.
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For now. Not being able to make people laugh makes it a lot harder for them to accept when you start slashing budgets and services while increasing your tax. He would soon lose that popularity.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,990
They have no one else like Johnson in terms of personality.

Are the likes of Sunak or Gove going to keep the red wall voters? Can’t see it.

They do need someone sensible and level headed to steady the ship and stop the scandals, but that type of person would lose a lot of the voters that switched to Tory in the last GE.

I really believe they are in big trouble.
 
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Marty

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,991
Evo1883 said:
Should be much higher , Labour should be in the 40s

Stop wasting votes on green and lib dems if you want actual change people , labour can't do it without your votes
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Labour are just a repackaged version, just as incompetent. There's room for a real party to step in and lead.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,992
PVA said:
Because he quite literally was sacked twice for lying.

Why are you so averse to facts surrounding 'Mr Johnson'?
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I think you gave him the answer he wanted there…
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,993
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think the Brexit message had the biggest say, or at least in the scale of the victory, but if it had been down solely to personality Johnson was going to win over Corbyn.
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Brexit and Corbyn. Corbyn was toxic for a lot of people over 30.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,994
PVA said:
Because he quite literally was sacked twice for lying.

Why are you so averse to facts surrounding 'Mr Johnson'?
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Did you read it in the media or know him personally?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 10, 2021
  • #8,995
 
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