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David O'Day

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #771
wingy said:
Depends if the CPS puts the cases forward for prosecution .
Been going backward for some years .
Somebody changed some policy within the last decade .
Anyhow nothing to worry about as expressed this morning on TV. It's unlikely a jury will convict lol so it's cushty.
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The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #772
David O'Day said:
The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.
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Depends if you're noisy when holding a rally protest whatever.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #773
David O'Day said:
The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.
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Sentences for violent men are a joke. Still pissed off about the 4 year sentence the guy who killed my first girlfriend’s mum got.

Absolutely nothing in this bill to help women and the Tories trying to make it a political point are sick.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #774
Looks like Johnson is in Cov today campaigning with Andy Street. Not sure that'll help Street get re-elected.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #775
He's a Pool Meadow rehashing last years big "bus" annoucement that never happened.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #776
David O'Day said:
The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.
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So if you damage a statue of someone who orchestrated raping and pillaging you’ll get more than actually raping.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #777
skybluetony176 said:
So if you damage a statue of someone who orchestrated raping and pillaging you’ll get more than actually raping.
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As someone said if you can convince a jury you thought it was a women dressed as a statue and not an actual statue you'll get less time
 
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oakey

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #778
It's time for all women to impersonate famous statues. I was going to suggest Lady Godiva but that may attract the wrong kind of Male attention!!
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #779
David O'Day said:
The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.
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you don't even have to go as far as damaging a statue, ten years for 'causing serious annoyance'.

I don't care what end of the political spectrum you're from, this is worrying legislation.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #780
clint van damme said:
ten years for 'causing serious annoyance'.
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Half of this board set to be locked up, then.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #781
Deleted member 5849 said:
Half of this board set to be locked up, then.
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it is within the environment of a protest. Not in your front room, red faced, drunk and smashing away furiously on your keyboard. Legislation to follow on that one.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #782
clint van damme said:
it is within the environment of a protest. Not in your front room, red faced, drunk and smashing away furiously on your keyboard. Legislation to follow on that one.
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Depends. If your bashing so loudly the neighbours are annoyed it’s illegal.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #783
The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #784
chiefdave said:
The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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Only 4 flags... the red wall focus groups won’t be happy.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #785
chiefdave said:
The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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Something for Allegra if she ever gets started.
Come on Carrie.
When would the optics be best for placing the eventual nuptials?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #786
chiefdave said:
The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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Plenty of blue screen potential though
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 15, 2021
  • #787
Meanwhile the Met continue their PR masterclass

PC guarding site where Sarah's body was found 'sent vile WhatsApp about death'

A PC has been taken off front-line duties after 'sending a WhatsApp about Sarah Everard's death' while guarding the site where her body was found.
www.kentonline.co.uk
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 16, 2021
  • #788
chiefdave said:
The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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Being suggested that it didn’t go out to competitive tender either.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #789
chiefdave said:
The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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Shouldn't even be 5% of that.

Bunch of cunts who I really don't want to see get re-elected. Who else is there though?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #790

Backlash grows against cut to electric car grants

A government decision to reduce subsidies is criticised by the motor industry and UK businesses.
www.bbc.co.uk

Dumber & Dumber. Same short-sighted horseshit as with the reduction of the FITs for solar panels a few years back which basically took a young, innovative green British industry & cut its potential growth off at the knees.

Thick as pig shit.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #791
jimmyhillsfanclub said:

Backlash grows against cut to electric car grants

A government decision to reduce subsidies is criticised by the motor industry and UK businesses.
www.bbc.co.uk

Dumber & Dumber. Same short-sighted horseshit as with the reduction of the FITs for solar panels a few years back which basically took a young, innovative green British industry & cut its potential growth off at the knees.

Thick as pig shit.
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So unbelievably stupid. Real chance to build us as a global leader wasted.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #792
SG21 said:
We really need to stop the narrative that paying tax is a bad thing and you're clever if you can avoid it; you're not, you're an ass if you do. People want good schools, healthcare, policing, housing, transport etc, but won't pay for it. This and awful political choices by the tory party are why England is in decline. It's no surprise Scotland want out. wouldn't be surprised if Wales followed afterwards for the way they're treated either.

Also, never trust any gov with your pension. Never! If there's a giant pot of money around, they'll find a way to get in it.
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Well I've always wondered what is the benefit of living in an ivory tower if surrounded by deprivation and something as basic as a poorly maintained infrastructure etc.
Plenty of examples of.employers use of pension funds being misappropriated , Also their often scaled down pot in takeovers and rescues .
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #793
Bloody socialist being happy again

Finland ranked happiest country in the world - again

Denmark is in second place, followed by Switzerland and Iceland in the World Happiness Report.
www.bbc.co.uk
Still, we had Brexit day last year so the smell of sovereignty must have lifted our spirits. What’s that you say? Dropped 4 places? But but but... blue passports and bendy bananas are back and they made Big Ben chime in celebration.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 20, 2021
  • #794
Well what do you do or think

Carers who sleep overnight at work in case they are needed not entitled to minimum wage for whole shift - Supreme Court rules

Judges dismiss appeals from two care workers - while care organisations say they've avoided a "catastrophic financial outcome".
news.sky.com
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 20, 2021
  • #795
wingy said:
Well what do you do or think

Carers who sleep overnight at work in case they are needed not entitled to minimum wage for whole shift - Supreme Court rules

Judges dismiss appeals from two care workers - while care organisations say they've avoided a "catastrophic financial outcome".
news.sky.com
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If you have to stay in your place of work and essentially be expected to respond to any issues that arise you should be paid in my opinion.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Mar 20, 2021
  • #796
We do need to find a way of compensating care workers more fairly, and treating it as a profession. Maybe bumping National Insurance up?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 20, 2021
  • #797
Deleted member 5849 said:
We do need to find a way of compensating care workers more fairly, and treating it as a profession. Maybe bumping National Insurance up?
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Well it used to be when it was provided through LA's , something changed around 15yrs ago, probably campaign to end up where we are now earlier still.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 20, 2021
  • #798
I see we're likely being taken to court over state aid for tax arrangements in Gibraltar .
Apparently historical cases involving 4 multinational companies where we haven't collected sufficiently /adequately.

Here's an old article from around 8 yrs ago, sort of illustrates through the prism of time and events the shift going on .
No Idea if it's exactly the same issue going on .
Noting France has always appeared to dispense state aid at s certain level .

Luxembourg accused of supplying 'state aid' to Amazon | The Bookseller

Luxembourg provided “s
www.thebookseller.com
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 20, 2021
  • #799

Spain to launch trial of four-day working week

Government agrees to proposal from leftwing party Más País allowing companies to test reduced hours
amp.theguardian.com

Four day working week gathering interest and momentum.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 20, 2021
  • #800
wingy said:
Well what do you do or think

Carers who sleep overnight at work in case they are needed not entitled to minimum wage for whole shift - Supreme Court rules

Judges dismiss appeals from two care workers - while care organisations say they've avoided a "catastrophic financial outcome".
news.sky.com
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Should be paid IMO. On call is a cop it for companies who want to provide a round the clock service, which you know they are charging for, but don't want to pay to properly staff it. Even worse when you're talking about staff on minimum wage.

I work in IT support and on-call has exploded in the last 10 or so years. Lost count of the number of times the 'nobody ever calls' excuse has been given for not paying people who are on-call even when you've got data clearly showing thats not true.

If companies want to offer a 24/365 service then employ, and pay, enough people to work a shift pattern that covers that. As far as I'm concerned if I'm not free to do what I want with my own time then I'm working and should be getting paid.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 20, 2021
  • #801
So much recent “innovation” has just been around finding ways to screw workers over. Uber, Deliveroo, package companies, IT, warehousing, you name it and somewhere some poor bugger is paying for your next day delivery/cheap taxi/whatever through “self employment” or “on call” or “agency” or not paying travel time.

Needs cracking down on across the board.
 
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Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 20, 2021
  • #802
Skybluefaz said:

Spain to launch trial of four-day working week

Government agrees to proposal from leftwing party Más País allowing companies to test reduced hours
amp.theguardian.com

Four day working week gathering interest and momentum.
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My place has been going on about it for the past year or so, same hours but over 4 days instead of 5. So far, they've taken away an unpaid lunch (half hour) and replaced it with a 20 minute paid break and allowing me to finish 30 minutes earlier.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 21, 2021
  • #803
Skybluefaz said:

Spain to launch trial of four-day working week

Government agrees to proposal from leftwing party Más País allowing companies to test reduced hours
amp.theguardian.com

Four day working week gathering interest and momentum.
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Got a couple of mates who are on 4 day weeks, one has been for over 10 years, the other more recent. Both say the same thing @Evo1883 mentioned on another thread, makes a huge difference as work no longer dominates your life. They also say their companies have seen increased productivity and employee retention since making the change.

They both live in other countries, one in Sweden, the other in Australia. Suspect it'll be a long time before we see many companies here bring something like that in. If my industry is anything to go by we're going in the opposite direction and expecting people to work ever increasing hours to cover the work of people who have been made redundant. When I started it was strictly 35 hours a week, now its 50 plus hours a week.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 21, 2021
  • #804
shmmeee said:
not paying travel time
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I had that one. Was working for a company whose client base was supposed to be entirely in Hampshire. They took on a client in London and expected me to travel there, with traffic it added 6 hours or more a day. Of course the travel time wasn't paid as "our quote wouldn't be competitive if we paid travel time". Don't quote then!

Months of doing that 3 - 5 times a week was not fun.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 21, 2021
  • #805
Got some people in the City making complaints that they're having to work 95 hour weeks. Want to have that maximised to 80, which is still a ridiculous number but those in the industry are fighting it.

That's what happens when you get people utterly obsessed with money in charge. Couldn't give a fuck about the toll it takes on people mentally and physically - the £££ makes it all worthwhile.
 
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