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Grendel

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  • Oct 4, 2021
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Shameful - type of thing encouraged by the gobshite Raynor

Interesting also the left on here supporting violence as they can’t win the argument

What a surprise
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 4, 2021
  • #7,072
Grendel said:
Shameful - type of thing encouraged by the gobshite Raynor

Interesting also the left on here supporting violence as they can’t win the argument

What a surprise
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PS. A right wing nut-job murdered an MP only 5 years ago, so maybe pipe the fuck down on this one.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 4, 2021
  • #7,073
Ian1779 said:
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PS. A right wing nut-job murdered an MP only 5 years ago, so maybe pipe the fuck down on this one.
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And three years ago the bloke who drove a van into a load of Muslims admitted planning to try and kill Corbyn.

And two years ago a Nazi was stopped during his plot to kill Rosie Cooper.

But oh noes traffic cone! So much for the tolerant left
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 5, 2021
  • #7,074
Ian1779 said:
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PS. A right wing nut-job murdered an MP only 5 years ago, so maybe pipe the fuck down on this one.
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shmmeee said:
And three years ago the bloke who drove a van into a load of Muslims admitted planning to try and kill Corbyn.

And two years ago a Nazi was stopped during his plot to kill Rosie Cooper.

But oh noes traffic cone! So much for the tolerant left
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They were all mentally ill remember so don’t count.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 5, 2021
  • #7,075
The Times are reporting:
Hospital managers who fail to clear mounting NHS backlogs will be sacked under government plans
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I'd say its unbelievable but sadly it is. Underfund the NHS to the point it can't cope then blame the NHS for not being able to cope when there's a global pandemic and the government manages to let it get out of control to a point our numbers are far worse than many other countries.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 5, 2021
  • #7,076
chiefdave said:
The Times are reporting:

I'd say its unbelievable but sadly it is. Underfund the NHS to the point it can't cope then blame the NHS for not being able to cope when there's a global pandemic and the government manages to let it get out of control to a point our numbers are far worse than many other countries.
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It's the end game. Make it terrible, tell people it's terrible, privatise it.

Which is a weird conclusion to come to seeing as it seems to be getting worse as more and more is being contracted out to private firms.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,077
On Andrew Marr on Sunday Johnson, after Marr had explained how farming works to him, said we didn't need to worry about a pig cull as it hadn't yet happened and to 'wait and see'. Well less than 48 hours later the cull of healthy animals has begun due to labour shortages.

UK pig farms cull healthy animals amid labour shortage

Trade body warns mass slaughter likely to follow, as PM dismisses sector’s concerns
www.ft.com
Pig farmers have begun the UK’s first cull of healthy animals not prompted by disease, slaughtering about 600 animals after the government declined to intervene to help with an acute labour shortage preventing abattoirs from processing enough meat.
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wingy

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,078
chiefdave said:
The Times are reporting:

I'd say its unbelievable but sadly it is. Underfund the NHS to the point it can't cope then blame the NHS for not being able to cope when there's a global pandemic and the government manages to let it get out of control to a point our numbers are far worse than many other countries.
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Well it is a bit confounding when cases are running at 10 times as much as parts of Europe.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,079
Many of the UK problems are fundamentally a result of long term austerity and long term wage stagnation. Supermarkets have artificially held down prices to a level consumers can afford, particularly for meat and dairy which with the power imbalance between producers and supermarkets drives down wages further. Brexit is the straw that broke the camel's back.

Our high covid death and case rate again is related to poverty, poor wages and conditions and poor living standards
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,080
skybluetony176 said:
They were all mentally ill remember so don’t count.
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Grendal in talking bollocks shocker
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,081
chiefdave said:
On Andrew Marr on Sunday Johnson, after Marr had explained how farming works to him, said we didn't need to worry about a pig cull as it hadn't yet happened and to 'wait and see'. Well less than 48 hours later the cull of healthy animals has begun due to labour shortages.

UK pig farms cull healthy animals amid labour shortage

Trade body warns mass slaughter likely to follow, as PM dismisses sector’s concerns
www.ft.com
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Can someone explain why I'm not being incredibly thick in thinking that they just keep the pigs alive until there isn't a staff shortage?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,082
Liquid Gold said:
Can someone explain why I'm not being incredibly thick in thinking that they just keep the pigs alive until there isn't a staff shortage?
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I assume its simply a matter of cash......keeping pigs alive costs money.....killing & selling them makes money.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,083
Liquid Gold said:
Can someone explain why I'm not being incredibly thick in thinking that they just keep the pigs alive until there isn't a staff shortage?
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They get too big to fit in the prisons they are encased in before being gassed to death at the abattoir
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,084
Grendel said:
They get too big to fit in the prisons they are encased in before being gassed to death at the abattoir
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Grim
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,085
Liquid Gold said:
Can someone explain why I'm not being incredibly thick in thinking that they just keep the pigs alive until there isn't a staff shortage?
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I guess it's space requirements. They keep growing and you're pretty soon not meeting animal welfare standards. Plus I guess it can get problematic if they start to reach maturity and it'd probably be pretty difficult and expensive to castrate that many pigs.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,086
Liquid Gold said:
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The whole argument I’ve heard about the impact on animal welfare is ridiculous - it’s more about not eating a juicy pork chop as it’s gone up in smoke before you can eat it
 
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RedSalmon

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,087
wingy said:
Well it is a bit confounding when cases are running at 10 times as much as parts of Europe.
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chiefdave said:
The Times are reporting:

I'd say its unbelievable but sadly it is. Underfund the NHS to the point it can't cope then blame the NHS for not being able to cope when there's a global pandemic and the government manages to let it get out of control to a point our numbers are far worse than many other countries.
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Most of the managers I worked for in the NHS (apart from two notable exceptions) should have been sacked anyway. Useless and nearly always promoted beyond their ability.
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,088
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
I assume its simply a matter of cash......keeping pigs alive costs money.....killing & selling them makes money.
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It takes a year to turn the pig production tap off according to one pig farmer on TV last week.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,089
Grendel said:
The whole argument I’ve heard about the impact on animal welfare is ridiculous - it’s more about not eating a juicy pork chop as it’s gone up in smoke before you can eat it
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We’re also replacing the pigs we can’t butcher with imported butchered pork. So twice as many pigs will end up being slaughtered to fill the same food chain. It’s absolutely about animal welfare, you’re being very ignorant (probably deliberately) about it.

 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,090
Liquid Gold said:
Can someone explain why I'm not being incredibly thick in thinking that they just keep the pigs alive until there isn't a staff shortage?
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I think they get too big to be butchered or something. Or too old for the meat.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,091
"High Wage, High Skill economy"

Another bullshit soundbite for the bootlickers to lap up.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,092
Raab is painfully thick


 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,093
Say what you want about Johnson but he knows how to play to his audience. His speech was streets ahead of Starmers.

While there was little substance in it, same could be said of Starmers, he gives people the soundbites they want. As we all know nobody, especially the media, has any interest in going past soundbites and pushing for any detail or checking the validity of the claims he throws about.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,094
chiefdave said:
Say what you want about Johnson but he knows how to play to his audience. His speech was streets ahead of Starmers.

While there was little substance in it, same could be said of Starmers, he gives people the soundbites they want. As we all know nobody, especially the media, has any interest in going past soundbites and pushing for any detail or checking the validity of the claims he throws about.
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We must of just watched a different speech
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,095
He also needs substance

His own MPs are telling him the will lose their own seats without it

Tory MP Warns She Will Lose Her Seat If Voters Don't See 'Physical Changes' Soon

Great Grimsby MP says voters are "expecting to see something now happen" from Boris Johnson's government.
uk.movies.yahoo.com
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,096
Also the Starmer toolmaker joke was much much better than "starmer chameleon"
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,097
chiefdave said:
Say what you want about Johnson but he knows how to play to his audience. His speech was streets ahead of Starmers.

While there was little substance in it, same could be said of Starmers, he gives people the soundbites they want. As we all know nobody, especially the media, has any interest in going past soundbites and pushing for any detail or checking the validity of the claims he throws about.
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Haven't seen Starmer's so can't comment on the quality or content of it, but Johnson's was appalling.

The problem is, as you point out, that it's the kind of appalling that many people fall for. Absolutely no substance or policy, just waffle and soundbites.

He governs by soundbite, telling the people what they want to hear, then moving onto the next soundbite before people start questio
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,098
To think, there are actually working class people who think the Tories have their best interests at heart


 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,099
PVA said:
He governs by soundbite, telling the people what they want to hear, then moving onto the next soundbite before people start questio
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Exactly. There's absolutely no substance to it and the few actual details he came out with are already being fact checked as false, the 'new' hospitals which include refurbs, replacements & builds halted when Carillion collapsed; the cash to send teachers to the parts of the country that need them most (don't all parts of the country need teachers?) when it was only a few years ago a scheme exactly the same as the one announced was scrapped.

There's nothing to it but when he shouts 'get social care done' for some strange reason it plays well and people believe him. Doesn't matter that Javid has already let slip that getting social care done in reality means moving the responsibly onto family members, as if family members don't already care for their relatives and see moving them into a home as a last resort.

It plays well to the room and soundbites like 'get social care done' will make the news tonight and that is as deep as a lot of people will look.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,100
This is why so many people, me included, like being called woke. It's a compliment.

If being against violence towards women makes you woke then being anti woke just makes you a c**t.


 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,101
chiefdave said:
Exactly. There's absolutely no substance to it and the few actual details he came out with are already being fact checked as false, the 'new' hospitals which include refurbs, replacements & builds halted when Carillion collapsed; the cash to send teachers to the parts of the country that need them most (don't all parts of the country need teachers?) when it was only a few years ago a scheme exactly the same as the one announced was scrapped.

There's nothing to it but when he shouts 'get social care done' for some strange reason it plays well and people believe him. Doesn't matter that Javid has already let slip that getting social care done in reality means moving the responsibly onto family members, as if family members don't already care for their relatives and see moving them into a home as a last resort.

It plays well to the room and soundbites like 'get social care done' will make the news tonight and that is as deep as a lot of people will look.
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Same with Dowden saying get off your peletons and back to work.

Basically implying everyone who has worked from home has been a lazy bastard and not done any work because they can't be trusted unless someone is watching over them.

They continually insult the intelligence and work ethic of the population and yet still they get voted for. So maybe they actually have a point about the intelligence.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,102
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Same with Dowden saying get off your peletons and back to work.

Basically implying everyone who has worked from home has been a lazy bastard and not done any work because they can't be trusted unless someone is watching over them.

They continually insult the intelligence and work ethic of the population and yet still they get voted for. So maybe they actually have a point about the intelligence.
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Also who actually owns a peloton? They're bloody expensive!

I think that just showed how out of touch they are and their sheltered view of what life is like for the general public.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,103
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
They continually insult the intelligence and work ethic of the population and yet still they get voted for. So maybe they actually have a point about the intelligence.
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We've been down this road but I don't get it. I wouldn't say my Dad is stupid (even if he is a lifelong Conservative voter!) but its like he's got a blindspot. I mentioned something Johnson had said in an interview last week to him and he just wouldn't believe it, so I found the interview on YouTube and played it to him and he still didn't believe Johnson had said it, he's literally on the TV saying it and my Dad is claiming its 'fake news' from the left to make him look bad!

Was listening to an interview with a chap who has a book out about the history of the Conservative Party and he was talking about how reliant they are on older voters. He said that a lot of the older voters simply can't, or won't, grasp the fact that things have changed since their day. They have this unshakeable belief that someone can leave school at 16 with a handful of qualifications, go into a 9-5 job and off the back of that afford a nice house, car, holidays every year etc before retiring on a nice pension. Any deviation from that and its explained away by people being lazy or wanting handouts.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 6, 2021
  • #7,104
chiefdave said:
They have this unshakeable belief that someone can leave school at 16 with a handful of qualifications, go into a 9-5 job and off the back of that afford a nice house, car, holidays every year etc before retiring on a nice pension. Any deviation from that and its explained away by people being lazy or wanting handouts.
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You've just described Grendel.

But yes I hate that whenever the topic of benefits comes up the Tory voters just revert to 'well they should stop spending money on phones/trainers/fags'. It's pretty disgusting but as you say they genuinely believe it.
 
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  • Oct 6, 2021
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PVA said:
Raab is painfully thick


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It's the ignorance and stupidity that gets me. How can voters feel that people like this are fit to govern us and will take sensible decisions which will be for the good of us and the country. The interviewer even asked him after this if he was sure about what he had said but he saw nothing wrong.

This is a guy from a privileged background and education yet he has no idea what misogyny means. This is almost as bad as Priti Patel talking about tackling counter-terrorist offenders.

How us Raab still there after the Afgan debacle?
 
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