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Grendel

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,496
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
For those on limited means and finishing work (thus removing their source of income), when they use the pension pot to buy an annuity. They can't afford to wait for the pot to recover, neither can they take the risk of having an unsecure return based on market fluctations. So they have to use the amount of money in the pot, at the time it is at a low point, to buy a more fixed, usually inflation adjusted, monthly payment. So those payments, and any tax free lump sum they take, will be smaller as they're having to cash in when the market is at a low point.

Of course, those entering that stage should be having it moved into less volatile instruments to minimise the risk, but that is not always the case and with employer pensions it is often just left to whatever the pension provider decides to invest it in.
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Ah so it’s literally an annuity. You do realise no one would ever advise that? It’s a tiny percentage who do this? It’s the equivalent of an endowment mortgage these days
 

Marty

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,497
rob9872 said:
Would it be a little selfish to hope it gets resolved soon ... as my pension pot has dipped by £10k? !!
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Mines gone up 5k, it doesn't matter anyway unless you plan on retiring next week.
 
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rob9872

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,498
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Yes a bit selfish but understandable. What do you think about the decision to attack Iran with very little strategic planning?
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In the words of Shaggy - It wasn't me
 

rob9872

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,499
Marty said:
Mines gone up 5k, it doesn't matter anyway unless you plan on retiring next week.
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Well I did, but I'll put it on ice now for 10 years

*edit: you obviously had the foresight to put your money into weapons
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,500
So many corruption stories today. Broken Britain.

3 men including Labour MP Joani Reid's partner, David Taylor, was arrested on suspicion of spying for China.
David Taylor is the director and sole employee of a company that had an £885,000 increase from £73,000 in cash it held in one financial year. One of the others is the partner of a former Labour MP.

The arrested men are 39-year-old from London A 68-year-old from Powys A 43-year-old from Pontyclun.

The CEO of the Police Federation of England and Wales has been arrested for corruption.


https://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/news/city-of-london/news/2026/march/domestic-corruption-unit-make-three-arrests/
A 46-year-old man from Surrey, a 51-year-old man from Wales and a 55-year-old man from Bristol were all arrested on suspicion of fraud by abuse of position.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,501
The population : Taxes are rising, I’ve got no money and public services are shit….oh, and I’m worried about this war starting in the Middle East.

MPs : No worries, we’re giving ourselves a 5% pay rise and continuing practicing for MPs strictly come dancing


This country sometimes

Edit - for balance, I’d imagine the strictly is for charity and I’ve personally got no issue with higher pay for MPs if theyre delivering for the the country but it’s not really the time for either
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,502
Not a bad salary.

 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,503
Obviously its just one poll and you need to look at the overall trend over a period of time but we don't, at least at present, seem to be experiencing the end of the green party as many predicted after their leadership election.

Saw one election analyst speaking about this and talking about how they are close to the tipping point where FPTP works in their favour.

Greens overtake Labour in sensational poll

The Greens have polled higher than Labour in the latest poll by YouGov, which puts them only two points off Reform UK and five ahead of the governing party.
news.sky.com
 
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rob9872

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,504
chiefdave said:
Obviously its just one poll and you need to look at the overall trend over a period of time but we don't, at least at present, seem to be experiencing the end of the green party as many predicted after their leadership election.

Saw one election analyst speaking about this and talking about how they are close to the tipping point where FPTP works in their favour.

Greens overtake Labour in sensational poll

The Greens have polled higher than Labour in the latest poll by YouGov, which puts them only two points off Reform UK and five ahead of the governing party.
news.sky.com
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Why is everyone suddenly bigging up these nut jobs? They'll be just as clueless in power as Reform. 2 cheeks of the same arse, just one that pretends everything is fine and dandy.

I know we're all pretty much disillusioned with the current offering but I'd take another 5 years Labour over either of them!
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,505
chiefdave said:
Obviously its just one poll and you need to look at the overall trend over a period of time but we don't, at least at present, seem to be experiencing the end of the green party as many predicted after their leadership election.

Saw one election analyst speaking about this and talking about how they are close to the tipping point where FPTP works in their favour.

Greens overtake Labour in sensational poll

The Greens have polled higher than Labour in the latest poll by YouGov, which puts them only two points off Reform UK and five ahead of the governing party.
news.sky.com
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They will lose a lot of support once Polanski gets put under scrutiny with questions on the economy etc, he'll fall apart at leadership debates nearer the election and look a bit of a clown.

(unless he spends the next few years really working on that side of things)
 

Nick

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,506
rob9872 said:
Why is everyone suddenly bigging up these nut jobs? They'll be just as clueless in power as Reform. 2 cheeks of the same arse, just one that pretends everything is fine and dandy.

I know we're all pretty much disillusioned with the current offering but I'd take another 5 years Labour over either of them!
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Probably because they waved a Palestine flag and hypnotised a few people.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,507
rob9872 said:
Why is everyone suddenly bigging up these nut jobs? They'll be just as clueless in power as Reform. 2 cheeks of the same arse
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Well that's just it isn't it? Everyone assumed Farage / Reform would go nowhere because he's clueless and easy to see through but they're leading the polls. Same applies with the Greens I guess just on the other end of the political spectrum.

When nobody wants to vote Conservative, Labour or Lib Dem the votes have got to move somewhere. Unless everyone just gives up and doesn't bother.
PVA said:
They will lose a lot of support once Polanski gets put under scrutiny with questions on the economy etc, he'll fall apart at leadership debates nearer the election and look a bit of a clown.
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Think it will be fascinating to watch. Same applies with Farage. The only time I've seen him really questioned at all was on the BBC around the time of their conference and he couldn't handle the questioning at all.

Imagine going into a general election debate where they're the two front runners, it would be hilarious for all the wrong reasons but also a sad reflection on the state of politics in this country.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,508
Nick said:
Probably because they waved a Palestine flag and hypnotised a few people.
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Same way reform waved a St Georges flag and hypnotised a few people.

People just love having that tribalism feeling.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,509
chiefdave said:
Well that's just it isn't it? Everyone assumed Farage / Reform would go nowhere because he's clueless and easy to see through but they're leading the polls. Same applies with the Greens I guess just on the other end of the political spectrum.

When nobody wants to vote Conservative, Labour or Lib Dem the votes have got to move somewhere. Unless everyone just gives up and doesn't bother.

Think it will be fascinating to watch. Same applies with Farage. The only time I've seen him really questioned at all was on the BBC around the time of their conference and he couldn't handle the questioning at all.

Imagine going into a general election debate where they're the two front runners, it would be hilarious for all the wrong reasons but also a sad reflection on the state of politics in this country.
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Reform voters wouldnt care if he got shown up on the BBC as they have a hate for mainstream media.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,510
PVA said:
They will lose a lot of support once Polanski gets put under scrutiny with questions on the economy etc, he'll fall apart at leadership debates nearer the election and look a bit of a clown.

(unless he spends the next few years really working on that side of things)
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Yes, because the Labour/Tory consensus on the economy is so successful isn't it
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,511
Lol
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,512
fernandopartridge said:
Yes, because the Labour/Tory consensus on the economy is so successful isn't it
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As bad as they are they are lightyears ahead of Polanski who has been made to look a total idiot when pressed on the economy.

He will be made to look very silly unless he improves drastically on it.
 
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Nick

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,513
fernandopartridge said:
Lol
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,514
PVA said:
As bad as they are they are lightyears ahead of Polanski who has been made to look a total idiot when pressed on the economy.

He will be made to look very silly unless he improves drastically on it.
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A lot of people are probably getting to the point where they're willing to take the chance to be honest. You can't tell people who have seen their living standards at best stand still that the economy is functioning well under the prevailing dogma.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,515
fernandopartridge said:
Lol
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Investigations in Companies house show her now dissolved business received a large cash injection from somewhere.
 

Nick

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,516
fernandopartridge said:
A lot of people are probably getting to the point where they're willing to take the chance to be honest. You can't tell people who have seen their living standards at best stand still that the economy is functioning well under the prevailing dogma.
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I'm waiting for John Davidson to be an MP and he can have my vote.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,517
Captain Dart said:
Investigations in Companies house show her now dissolved business received a large cash injection from somewhere.
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She's now liquidated the company and got herself £379k. Rotten to the absolute core.
 
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Nick

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  • Mar 4, 2026
  • #61,518
That video of Starmer getting his arm stroked by the Palestinian Ambassador and whispered in his ear, is a bit weird.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,519
fernandopartridge said:
A lot of people are probably getting to the point where they're willing to take the chance to be honest. You can't tell people who have seen their living standards at best stand still that the economy is functioning well under the prevailing dogma.
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This is this is precisely what Polanski and the greens are relying on though FD

It’s easy and fair to have a negative view on recent governments economic policies but it’s also disingenuous and opportunistic not to take into consideration the financial crisis, global pandemic, Ukraine war etc all of which have had a far greater impact on the economy, inflation, living standards etc than government policy in the last 15 years or so. You can throw in an aging denographic in a mature, developed nation for good measure

Polanski will ignore all of this and just blame recent governments suggesting he’s got the magic solution to everything. When someone is suggesting drastic changes to economic and monetary policy without even knowing the difference between the deficit and total government debt, or have any idea of how much government debt BoE hold, then they are just a populist chancer in my book

You then add his worrying response after getting caught out which was pretty much ‘if I’d have known these were the questions I’d have learned some figures’ and this is exactly what I’d expect a drama student/actor to say and it demonstrates how dangerous he is. No acknowledgment that he hasn’t got a fuckin clue what he’s talking about, just next time I’ll learn some sound bites so it looks like I do and then keep peddling the same shit, probably while shouting ‘wealth tax’ even louder as cover

The crowds lapping it up though so maybe more fool me for wanting a bit more
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,520
fernandopartridge said:
She's now liquidated the company and got herself £379k. Rotten to the absolute core.
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She new nothing about her husbands business affairs..

Joani Reid company received £20k from husband accused of spying for China

Labour MP Joani Reid's consultancy company received more than £20k in interest free loans from two of her husband's businesses
www.heraldscotland.com
 
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nicksar

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,521
Meanwhile back in the real world for most of us... my 88 year old Mother in law had a fall at home two weeks ago and broke her shoulder, she was sent home from UHCW on the same day.
It's been a nightmare for my wife and her sister providing 24/7 care between them...they are tired and stressed beyond belief tbh (Wife is 66 her sister is 64).
Mother in law is very reluctantly going into a care home today for 4 weeks respite care.
No help from anyone in the NHS or Social services,we have had to pay £8k upfront for her 4 weeks respite.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,522
nicksar said:
Meanwhile back in the real world for most of us... my 88 year old Mother in law had a fall at home two weeks ago and broke her shoulder, she was sent home from UHCW on the same day.
It's been a nightmare for my wife and her sister providing 24/7 care between them...they are tired and stressed beyond belief tbh (Wife is 66 her sister is 64).
Mother in law is very reluctantly going I a care home today for 4 weeks respite care.
No help from anyone in the NHS or Social services,we have had to pay £8k upfront for her 4 weeks respite.
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That’s a nightmare
We made sure before mum left hospital that a care package was considered. It didn’t happen as my sisters took her home before it was done as mum didn’t want to stay in hospital
Then paid privately for carers to come in for a temporrry period after my sister took the brunt of caring responsibilities for her for a couple of weeks
Pretty sure you can get support but you have to be pretty insistent

Care after illness or hospital discharge (reablement) - Social care and support guide

Short-term care for people who need extra support to help their recovery at home.
www.nhs.uk
Re-enablement care
 
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nicksar

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,523
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s a nightmare
We made sure before mum left hospital that a care package was considered. It didn’t happen as my sisters took her home before it was done as mum didn’t want to stay in hospital
Then paid privately for carers to come in for a temporrry period after my sister took the brunt of caring responsibilities for her for a couple of weeks
Pretty sure you can get support but you have to be pretty insistent

Care after illness or hospital discharge (reablement) - Social care and support guide

Short-term care for people who need extra support to help their recovery at home.
www.nhs.uk
Re-enablement care
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Thanks for the link Pete, actually we took her to an appointment at St Cross on Monday and she saw a consultant who checked her progress (x-ray etc) ... told him we were struggling... trust me none of the above was mentioned to us.
 

SBAndy

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,524
Captain Dart said:
Investigations in Companies house show her now dissolved business received a large cash injection from somewhere.
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That doesn’t show that the business got a large cash injection from somewhere. That shows that the business made sales with very little cost attached; not uncommon for a consultancy-type business. Without a proper breakdown of creditors you’d have no idea whether these were other consultants owed money, tax liabilities or something else. Given there was no erroneous creditors declared in the liquidator’s report I don’t see how you can cast aspersions like this.

For reference, I don’t even know who the woman is beyond being an MP so no idea whether the sales element has anything fishy about it.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,525
nicksar said:
Thanks for the link Pete, actually we took her to an appointment at St Cross on Monday and she saw a consultant who checked her progress (x-ray etc) ... told him we were struggling... trust me none of the above was mentioned to us.
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That’s frustrating
I was really cross with my sisters as we had a bit of leverage over the nhs while she was blocking a bed
It’s in the nhs best interests to pay for care as it’s much more expensive stay in hospital
Mum had heart failure and was put on oxygen and has made a super recovered and regained pretty much total independence at 85 or so years of age
Bless you all for taking care of her so well
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Mar 5, 2026
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SBAndy said:
That doesn’t show that the business got a large cash injection from somewhere. That shows that the business made sales with very little cost attached; not uncommon for a consultancy-type business. Without a proper breakdown of creditors you’d have no idea whether these were other consultants owed money, tax liabilities or something else. Given there was no erroneous creditors declared in the liquidator’s report I don’t see how you can cast aspersions like this.

For reference, I don’t even know who the woman is beyond being an MP so no idea whether the sales element has anything fishy about it.
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Well it's the timing. I think I'm seeing it might have been from her husbands business, y'know the bloke who has just been arrested for spying for the Chinese. All this is reminiscent of the Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean & Anthony Blunt scandals, don't you love the good old British Establishment.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,527
Nick said:
That video of Starmer getting his arm stroked by the Palestinian Ambassador and whispered in his ear, is a bit weird.
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Empathy while sending the bombs over?
 

Nick

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,528
wingy said:
Empathy while sending the bombs over?
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Have seen less homo erotic stuff in brokeback mountain.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,529
nicksar said:
Thanks for the link Pete, actually we took her to an appointment at St Cross on Monday and she saw a consultant who checked her progress (x-ray etc) ... told him we were struggling... trust me none of the above was mentioned to us.
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I fear you may be too late for re-enablement, its for when someone is discharged. But having said that there should have been a care plan in place and you should have been able to give input as to whether you would be able to cope or not.

Might be worth giving PALS a call if that wasn't offered.

But in my experience the whole system is designed around making you pay and not giving you what you're entitled to.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 5, 2026
  • #61,530
Sorry, what?

Failed asylum seeker families to be offered up to £40k to leave

The home secretary says the "incentives" will deliver a "significant saving to the taxpayer".
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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