I’m pro-some immigration but I am also pro-the country not being dependent on foreign labour (either skilled or unskilled). I just don’t see it as the reason why things are the way they are. I get I’m in the minority of course which is disappointing but in a democracy those are the breaks.90% probably. I imagine there are a number who see it as a factor without being the only reason.
Out of interest (and I'm not picking a fight as I finish here in 30 minutes) where do you sit? I mean I know of course you're pro-immigration, but do you believe it's in any way to blame for where we're at and plays at least a part in the issues we have currently?
Some of my preferred policies in no particular order:You say that, but what policies would do this in your view?
You can measure how Labour’s anti-business policies have backfired on ‘working people’… private sector redundancies and unemployment is increasing.
Likewise, tax rises and inflation directly impact the money in people’s pockets and their spending power. Again, things get worse.
NoOkay would you say his stance on Palestine is the right way to take the country compared to the migrnt hotels etc?
I'm sure absolutely none of these farmers ever complained about JSO protestors from blocking ambulances etc
I'm wondering if the take of £24B may have swung it and Reeves is just another Tory like all of them?It’s worked - the government U turns - shock horror
Farmers celebrate Sir Keir Starmer's Christmas U-turn on inheritance tax
The government has significantly increased the threshold at which farms will be subject to inheritance tax, which the Tories say is a "huge U-turn".news.sky.com
I'm wondering if the take of £24B may have swung it and Reeves is just another Tory like all of them?
Love this!
It's pretty clear that Labour's policies are being driven by the civil service rather than the other way round. Same with the winter fuel allowance.Labour u turning on inheritance tax is embarrassing. It shows that as ever with the main parties they listen to the wealthy over the majority of working people.
If they are to allow such a high threshold for inheriting agricultural property there needs to be conditions related to that property actually producing in the past and future. If somebody inherits farm property and then flips it for another use they should be obliged to pay inheritance tax on it imo.
Cause people can’t think for themselves ask them whyHe is truly a hated Prime Minister. The amount of times you hear 'Keir Starmer's a wanker' at the darts and the football is genuinely unheard of. I read a blog that even at the height of the miner's strikes, football fans didn't chant about Thatcher*.
*That said, since the 80s there has been an erosion for public deference to politicians and the monarchy.
They can think for themselves and this government has been a disaster. In fact, you'd even agree on this point so not sure why you would even say that.Cause people can’t think for themselves ask them why
The rich control the narrative, the general population falls in line behind them, campaigning for a change that won't be of any benefit to them, the government u-turns.Labour u turning on inheritance tax is embarrassing. It shows that as ever with the main parties they listen to the wealthy over the majority of working people.
The rich control the narrative, the general population falls in line behind them, campaigning for a change that won't be of any benefit to them, the government u-turns.
Same as it always was and same as it will always be.
The likes of Clarkson openly admitted to buying a farm purely for tax reasons, then when the loophole was going to be shut he started crying about it.
Needs a government that both has some balls and the ability to communicate what is actually happening and how they are being manipulated.
They don’tThey can think for themselves and this government has been a disaster. In fact, you'd even agree on this point so not sure why you would even say that.
With respect, middle-class lefties tend to be some of the most patronising people I've come across. Have you ever considered that you may actually be wrong and not everyone else is stupid for once?
Do they have many MPs in rural places?They changed their minds more likely as a back bench rebellion was brewing with MPs in rural constituencies looking at a P45 in 3 years
Do they have many MPs in rural places?
I think lying about why they’d do in government is a pretty good reason to sing it.They don’t
You guys have good reasons those singing Starmer is a wanker couldn’t tell you one reason why
Farmers get all manner of subsidies and reliefs already.
Moaning about how hard they have it as they sell off another parcel of land for millions of pounds (an actual conversation I had the other day).
They have a real arrogance to them that they should be treated differently.
Let's face it, you have absolutely no idea what it is like to be a farmer.
Frankly, anyone that voted for Labour shouldn't be trying to lecture other people on politics.
Labour u turning on inheritance tax is embarrassing. It shows that as ever with the main parties they listen to the wealthy over the majority of working people.
If they are to allow such a high threshold for inheriting agricultural property there needs to be conditions related to that property actually producing in the past and future. If somebody inherits farm property and then flips it for another use they should be obliged to pay inheritance tax on it imo.
He is truly a hated Prime Minister. The amount of times you hear 'Keir Starmer's a wanker' at the darts and the football is genuinely unheard of. I read a blog that even at the height of the miner's strikes, football fans didn't chant about Thatcher*.
*That said, since the 80s there has been an erosion for public deference to politicians and the monarchy.
It’s become a meme at this point reallyDo you think the hate is proportional? He’s polling as one of the worst ever prime ministers (possibly THE worst?) yet I just don’t think he’s actually that offensive. It’s an utterly bizarre correlation.
It's really not proportional at all. It's because the press are largely right leaning, and places like Twitter/X have become an echo chamber. The problem is although he is hated, the Torys caused most of this mess with austerity, Brexit and Liz truss budget, and Farage would be a complete disaster.Do you think the hate is proportional? He’s polling as one of the worst ever prime ministers (possibly THE worst?) yet I just don’t think he’s actually that offensive. It’s an utterly bizarre correlation.
The worst ever is a ridiculous over exaggeration but the way he has become so unpopular so quickly is genuinely impressive.Do you think the hate is proportional? He’s polling as one of the worst ever prime ministers (possibly THE worst?) yet I just don’t think he’s actually that offensive. It’s an utterly bizarre correlation.
I'd be very confident in saying I know more about it than you.
As for your second point, I thought this was a politics thread on a discussion forum. Free speech!! (unless you vote Labour or don't think all Muslims are terrorists).
I think only he and one other poster are still behind Starmer at this point.What you, and clearly others on this thread are demonstrating, is that you are completely out of touch with the majority of the country.
Starmer has very low approval ratings and you lot are giving off Semour Skinner 'it's the kids who are wrong' vibes. Your comments about free speech and Muslims is a bit of a deflection, but it really only serves to make you look silly. You know nothing about farming, and you know nothing about how the majority of the country feel.
Probably not but when you put all the problems as down to ‘14 years of Tory rule’ and the ‘grown ups’ will fix everything… when that doesn’t happen, it all unravels rapidly. People tend to forget that a lot of pent up anger towards Labour started under Blair and Brown.Do you think the hate is proportional? He’s polling as one of the worst ever prime ministers (possibly THE worst?) yet I just don’t think he’s actually that offensive. It’s an utterly bizarre correlation.
What you, and clearly others on this thread are demonstrating, is that you are completely out of touch with the majority of the country.
Starmer has very low approval ratings and you lot are giving off Semour Skinner 'it's the kids who are wrong' vibes. Your comments about free speech and Muslims is a bit of a deflection, but it really only serves to make you look silly. You know nothing about farming, and you know nothing about how the majority of the country feel.
Sheeple andyDo you think the hate is proportional? He’s polling as one of the worst ever prime ministers (possibly THE worst?) yet I just don’t think he’s actually that offensive. It’s an utterly bizarre correlation.
I think only he and one other poster are still behind Starmer at this point.
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