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Grendel · 2025-11-16T16:15:18+0000

Sky Blue Pete said:
Pay for healthcare
No adult social care

There is zero evidence of that and if the argument is an acknowledgement it won’t get better under the status quo there is nothing to lose in reality

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-11-16T16:15:36+0000

Grendel said:
How will it get any worse for them?

Massive cuts in public spending as they cut taxes so the few services they do get get scaled back or even taken away.
Stagnant or falling wages mixed in with rising prices as they back their buddies in big business.
Increased use of private sector in providing public services increasing the cost so they can make a profit, and potentially leaving many of them without healthcare.

And that's just the start.

Grendel · 2025-11-16T16:21:20+0000

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Massive cuts in public spending as they cut taxes so the few services they do get get scaled back or even taken away.
Stagnant or falling wages mixed in with rising prices as they back their buddies in big business.
Increased use of private sector in providing public services increasing the cost so they can make a profit, and potentially leaving many of them without healthcare.

And that's just the start.

this is all supposition and I hardly think those on a sink estate are seeing wages grow and a chancellor who says they are going to have to contribute more

fernandopartridge · 2025-11-16T16:57:00+0000

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Massive cuts in public spending as they cut taxes so the few services they do get get scaled back or even taken away.
Stagnant or falling wages mixed in with rising prices as they back their buddies in big business.
Increased use of private sector in providing public services increasing the cost so they can make a profit, and potentially leaving many of them without healthcare.

And that's just the start.

All of those things have already happened

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-11-16T16:57:52+0000

Grendel said:
this is all supposition and I hardly think those on a sink estate are seeing wages grow and a chancellor who says they are going to have to contribute more

Well I guess we'll have to wait and see won't we.

Though from your response of trying to deflect immediately I guess you think that's the likely outcome (though you'll never admit it of course).

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-11-16T16:58:24+0000

fernandopartridge said:
All of those things have already happened

So imagine what will happen when it gets supercharged.

chiefdave · 2025-11-16T17:09:18+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Found this very interesting, in the area where my grandad grew up.

Thoroughly depressing watch. Rather than look at the absolute disaster the closure of mines, shipyards has been to their local areas we've had governments seemingly try to do the same to the rest of the country via austerity.

I remember a couple of years ago seeing an article where they overlaid maps of various measures such as crime, poverty, unemployment, lack of education, unemployment, drug use, malnutrition, poor health outcomes etc etc. It was a very basic means of showing that the worst areas of the country in every possible metric you could measure were the old industrial towns.

Huge parts of the country just to all intents and purposes abandoned.

Grendel · 2025-11-16T17:11:08+0000

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Well I guess we'll have to wait and see won't we.

Though from your response of trying to deflect immediately I guess you think that's the likely outcome (though you'll never admit it of course).

How’s it defecting. This people already have these things. Saying the guy over there may make it worse but we won’t make it better isn’t a great sell is it?

Sky Blue Pete · 2025-11-16T19:03:02+0000

chiefdave said:
Thoroughly depressing watch. Rather than look at the absolute disaster the closure of mines, shipyards has been to their local areas we've had governments seemingly try to do the same to the rest of the country via austerity.

I remember a couple of years ago seeing an article where they overlaid maps of various measures such as crime, poverty, unemployment, lack of education, unemployment, drug use, malnutrition, poor health outcomes etc etc. It was a very basic means of showing that the worst areas of the country in every possible metric you could measure were the old industrial towns.

Huge parts of the country just to all intents and purposes abandoned.

And Nigel and Zia are gonna look out for them lol

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-11-16T19:11:24+0000

chiefdave said:
Thoroughly depressing watch. Rather than look at the absolute disaster the closure of mines, shipyards has been to their local areas we've had governments seemingly try to do the same to the rest of the country via austerity.

I remember a couple of years ago seeing an article where they overlaid maps of various measures such as crime, poverty, unemployment, lack of education, unemployment, drug use, malnutrition, poor health outcomes etc etc. It was a very basic means of showing that the worst areas of the country in every possible metric you could measure were the old industrial towns.

Huge parts of the country just to all intents and purposes abandoned.

Like I said, it was where my grandad grew up and he took us around the former mining villages he knew of. There isn’t a bad bone in these people’s bodies, but they were ruined by Thatcher, ignored by all the governments that followed and so the grifters on the right have seized their opportunity and exploited the pride and economic prospects that were lost when industries fell down.

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