I think like many of us who desire intelligence at the heart of government can’t quite understand
starmer bad
Johnson good
Didn’t say it made Johnson better but the perception is
Starmer- wet lettuce technocrat
Johnson- affable one of the lads clown
The same happens in Scotland when Johnson makes one off trips there and thinks it makes a difference. Again the perception is
Sturgeon - sensible mature anti-Tory
Johnson - posh git
Perception is reality
Starmer isn’t even recognisable in Scotland
Starmer isn’t even recognisable in Scotland
I can't understand why he is seen as pathetic and Johnson as some great leader. Please explain. Johnson comes across to me as incompetent and totally lacking in sincerity. I don't find him funny or inspiring. What is it I am missing?This man is pathetic
Totally. Competence and intelligence seems to be seen as weak and pathetic now.I think like many of us who desire intelligence at the heart of government can’t quite understand
starmer bad
Johnson good
He doesn’t stand for anything. He’s a weather vane and doesn’t appear to have any conviction on many things. He’s basically sat there and let people say that under 25’s are feckless and workshy… and this is the demographic that leans heavily to his party.I can't understand why he is seen as pathetic and Johnson as some great leader. Please explain. Johnson comes across to me as incompetent and totally lacking in sincerity. I don't find him funny or inspiring. What is it I am missing?
He doesn’t stand for anything. He’s a weather vane and doesn’t appear to have any conviction on many things. He’s basically sat there and let people say that under 25’s are feckless and workshy… and this is the demographic that leans heavily to his party.
That said, in his defence, that whole BBC thing was a setup, designed to humiliate him.
Totally. Competence and intelligence seems to be seen as weak and pathetic now.
A listening exercise that he *needed* to do on camera?This is such bollocks. He was at a listening exercise and you’re criticising him for *checks notes* listening.
Exactly mate. This really annoys me. It seems people just want bombast from our leaders.This is such bollocks. He was at a listening exercise and you’re criticising him for *checks notes* listening.
You’re missing the point. I’m not comparing him to Johnson who is a complete fucking fraud.Exactly mate. This really annoys me. It seems people just want bombast from our leaders.
The media will always make Labour leaders look weak and undermine them. It's shocking that how one was eating a bacon sandwich determined a General Election.
But I still struggle to see how most people can't see through Johnson. Hos charm and charisma doesn't work for me, and I would rather be lead by someone who tries to listen and make informed and sensible decisions.
Exactly mate. This really annoys me. It seems people just want bombast from our leaders.
The media will always make Labour leaders look weak and undermine them. It's shocking that how one was eating a bacon sandwich determined a General Election.
But I still struggle to see how most people can't see through Johnson. Hos charm and charisma doesn't work for me, and I would rather be lead by someone who tries to listen and make informed and sensible decisions.
Clearly he was against Brexit (he's intelligent) and called for a second referendum. Incidentally at one stage I was standing next to him in one of the anti-Brexit marches. Are you forgetting that Corbyn was effectively supporting Brexit.You’re missing the point. I’m not comparing him to Johnson who is a complete fucking fraud.
He does not listen, he just appears to give the notion of listening.
Several times between 2017 and early 2019 Starmer was interviewed and said that the Labour Party must honour the Brexit referendum or it risks the party being torn apart and rejected by the electorate. He then proceeded to champion a policy that did just that. This is why people don’t trust him.
Clearly he was against Brexit (he's intelligent) and called for a second referendum. Incidentally at one stage I was standing next to him in one of the anti-Brexit marches. Are you forgetting that Corbyn was effectively supporting Brexit.
Is he right on everything? Of course not but he is far better than Corbyn or any other senior Labour figure I can think of.
But hey let's criticise this guy rather than highlighting the real problems, which us this incompetent Government.
Wow just wow all perceptionThe one thing Corbyn had in 2017 was an ability to go places and talk to crowds and get engagement - in a different way Major did as well in 92 when the odds were heavily against him. Starmer looks like the people he addressed are beneath him
Whippet and Pigeon racing?‘What do the northerners like? If I go to a sporting event they will like me’
Wow just wow all perception
But that's the problem. We go for leaders who are popular and charismatic rather than competent. Yes Johnson and Corbyn (and Trump) have people who will support them no matter what they do, but they are hopeless at doing things. For some reason many people find those sort of people attractive, but I just don't get it.The one thing Corbyn had in 2017 was an ability to go places and talk to crowds and get engagement - in a different way Major did as well in 92 when the odds were heavily against him. Starmer looks like the people he addressed are beneath him
I’m not forgetting anything. I voted for Remain, it lost and that should have been the end of it on June 24th 2016, no matter how shit of a decision I thought it was.Clearly he was against Brexit (he's intelligent) and called for a second referendum. Incidentally at one stage I was standing next to him in one of the anti-Brexit marches. Are you forgetting that Corbyn was effectively supporting Brexit.
Is he right on everything? Of course not but he is far better than Corbyn or any other senior Labour figure I can think of.
But hey let's criticise this guy rather than highlighting the real problems, which us this incompetent Government.
But that's the problem. We go for leaders who are popular and charismatic rather than competent. Yes Johnson and Corbyn (and Trump) have people who will support them no matter what they do, but they are hopeless at doing things. For some reason many people find those sort of people attractive, but I just don't get it.
I know people who are fanatical about Corbyn and also one who are about Johnson. Despite the report on anti sematism they refuse to believe Corbyn could be in any way wrong. Despite all the horrendous mistakes during the pandemic they say Johnson is doing as well as he could. They have no objectivity. Both have a cult like status amongst their supporters.
I'd rather have a boring but competent person in charge. I prefer to get entertainment from other areas of my life.
I’m not forgetting anything. I voted for Remain, it lost and that should have been the end of it on June 24th 2016, no matter how shit of a decision I thought it was.
Corbyn’s position originally was to respect the result, to imply he was some kind of secret Brexit mole to help deliver a hard Brexit is just pure FBPE fan fiction looking for reasons as to why Remain lost. Yet to this day the Remain camp have never really looked or understood the reasons why Brexit was voted for… too fucking arrogant to listen.
I tell you why I dislike Starmer, he hung my profession out to dry during the pandemic, and he the poorest leader Labour have had in my lifetime in my opinion.
But again, you’re missing point in regards to Johnson, by criticising Starmer it does not mean you are excusing the Tories, or supporting what they are doing. This country is going to suffer further under their governance.
It is noticable however that righties seem a lot less critical of their leaders, whoever they are, than lefties. Righties do play the game a lot better. Johnson's a case in point, loathed by a high proportion of his MPs, and for that matter the older, traditional membership, but they recognise they have to get behind him even if they think he's a cock.You’re missing the point. I’m not comparing him to Johnson who is a complete fucking fraud.
It's not even their strategies either. So, Starmer's ineffective, eh? What's not going to make him more effective is if he has to waste his time arguing with his own side, rather than with the people in power!Exactly the Conservative party is the most successful in the whole Western world - at winning elections and keeping their hands on the levers of power
Which is precisely why I and many others could never join the Labour party. Too many zealots arguing about rulebooks, Hamas or union block votes.It's not even their strategies either. So, Starmer's ineffective, eh? What's not going to make him more effective is if he has to waste his time arguing with his own side, rather than with the people in power!
He’s labours IDS they need to ditch him
Corbyn's helped moderate me, ironically. My beliefs haven't changed, but I currently see a government totally opposed in philosophy to me, able to do what it wants with impunity. I also see the only time during my life when Britain seemed to have a vague sense of a social conscience, was under Blair and Brown (do I really need to point out the general here, to head off the disruptors pointing out specifics?).I think a lot of 'lefties' or progressives like the Tories being in power. It gives them something to rail against whilst maintaining some sense of moral superiority and being spared the practical issues of power.
It's this that puts many people off Labour. They "smell" too preachy.
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