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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (10 Viewers)

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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Yesterday at 10:55 AM
  • #54,706
mmttww said:
and I don't think that's what's happened. I think pressure from Israel and its lobby groups led to them being placated and PA being listed.
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The should be listed and should be in jail, why do we want them supporting a terrorist group on our street
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 10:58 AM
  • #54,707
SkyBlueDom26 said:
The should be listed and should be in jail, why do we want them supporting a terrorist group on our street
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I think it's worth asking questions about them being listed in the first place and the High Court has said an appeal of their listing is allowed.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Yesterday at 11:00 AM
  • #54,708
mmttww said:
I think it's worth asking questions about them being listed in the first place and the High Court has said an appeal of their listing is allowed.
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It’s a joke, they attacked a military base. I think it says a lot about you going against our military tbh, absolute joker
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 11:00 AM
  • #54,709
Grendel said:
How can they lean on them?
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Isn't Israel's government leaning on ours to take action re: dissent just the grown up politics you talk about?
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 11:02 AM
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SkyBlueDom26 said:
says a lot about you going against our military tbh
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It might shock you and make you a bit sad, but I don't take anything you type to heart, Dom.
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 11:05 AM
  • #54,711
shmmeee said:
Are we arguing for second and third degree terrorism here it something?
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Having varying degrees of offences is a pretty basic legal principle, no?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Yesterday at 11:06 AM
  • #54,712
mmttww said:
It might shock you and make you a bit sad, but I don't take anything you type to heart, Dom.
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Why are you waffling on about not wanting PA banned then, they attacked a military base? Surely any normal person thinks that’s justified. Love the way you never answer anything
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 11:09 AM
  • #54,713
mmttww said:
Isn't Israel's government leaning on ours to take action re: dissent just the grown up politics you talk about?
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The protestors are perfectly at liberty to protest - the government has no issue with protesting against Israel’s actions? In fact Starmer says he will recognise Palestine?
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 11:10 AM
  • #54,714
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Love the way you never answer anything
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I've answered some questions and replied to a bunch of posts this morning in this thread. I've said what I think about it. You say you see it differently, I can live with that.
 
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mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 11:16 AM
  • #54,715
Grendel said:
The protestors are perfectly at liberty to protest - the government has no issue with protesting against Israel’s actions? In fact Starmer says he will recognise Palestine?
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his position on recognising Palestine is ropey for me with it being conditional on bits that don't seem likely to happen. If he wants to do it, just crack on.

and the whole basis for the appeal as far I can remember is that PA's listing has been done to stifle protest and the High Court thinks they've got a point.
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 11:18 AM
  • #54,716
mmttww said:
his position on recognising Palestine is ropey for me with it being conditional on bits that don't seem likely to happen. If he wants to do it, just crack on.

and the whole basis for the appeal as far I can remember is that PA's listing has been done to stifle protest and the High Court thinks they've got a point.
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Anyone can and do on a daily basis protest, none of these people would have been arrested if they hadn’t proclaimed to support a defined terrorist group.

If what Starmer says is true and PA deliberately target Jewish businesses in the UK I assume you’d be appalled by this?
 

Sick Boy

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  • Yesterday at 11:21 AM
  • #54,717
Grendel said:
If what Starmer says is true and PA deliberately target Jewish businesses in the UK I assume you’d be appalled by this?
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Any reasonable person would be - many Jewish people will be opposed to Israel's actions.
 

mmttww

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  • Yesterday at 11:37 AM
  • #54,718
Grendel said:
Anyone can and do on a daily basis protest, none of these people would have been arrested if they hadn’t proclaimed to support a defined terrorist group.

If what Starmer says is true and PA deliberately target Jewish businesses in the UK I assume you’d be appalled by this?
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Yeah, but I'm confident they knew they'd get arrested. It's the direct action playbook. I don't think it's effective but there it is! It's a bit 60s and lo-fi.

If there's evidence that targets for action were chosen purely because they were Jewish, that changes things, and like any kind of racism, it's sh*t.

I've seen claims to that effect. Labour say evidence can't be shared yet. Let's not pretend people conflating 'Israel' with 'Jewish' isn't a thing, though.
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 12:45 PM
  • #54,719
SBT said:
Having varying degrees of offences is a pretty basic legal principle, no?
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Yeah but it’s not in the legislation as is. I think it’s a fair argument, as I’ve said I think terror law generally could be got rid of with little consequence. But then there’s nothing like prescription (banning media perhaps?) and that’s pretty binary. Either a group is banned or it’s not.
 

shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 4:08 PM
  • #54,720
Reform, the feminist party



Oh…

 

chiefdave

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  • Yesterday at 4:13 PM
  • #54,721
shmmeee said:
Reform, the feminist party

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Can't possibly imagine what they mean by 'look foreign'
 
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wingy

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  • Yesterday at 6:58 PM
  • #54,722
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Why are you waffling on about not wanting PA banned then, they attacked a military base? Surely any normal person thinks that’s justified. Love the way you never answer anything
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Because he's not going to allow you to steal all the oxygen.
 
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